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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

After the 2011 tragedy during the North American Rally to the Caribbean, Don Street wrote an article for Cruising World. In it he basically said heading south from New England in October is playing Russian roulette. He recommends leaving in September or November and has been advocating that since 1964, when he wrote "Going South" for Yachting.

If you look at this NOAA chart, which shows hurricane paths in the Atlantic, you see a bottle neck off the coast of the Carolinas, close to where the Bounty capsized.


There is an enormous amount of information regarding weather in the Atlantic. There are countless sailors, many with decades of experience, who have experienced first hand what the Atlantic can dish out in October, and lived to tell their stories. You don't have to be an experienced sailor to gain this knowledge, you only have to be able to read.

The information we have available thus far tells us the captain knew he was heading into rough weather. It tells us he liked to hire inexperienced crew so he could train them. It tells us he knew he would at least be skirting a hurricane and had decided to try to squeeze his boat between the coast and the west perimeter of the storm. And if he was as experienced as he is reported to have been, he would have known the paths of previous hurricanes and, more importantly, that no one can predict weather so precisely as to create that magic window that will guarantee safety for ship and crew when heading into a storm.

Time and again we see people making decisions that result in the loss of human life. Short of having a gun to his head, I see no reason why the captain had to head out to sea during the most dangerous season in the Atlantic.

Maybe chart plotters should have this over the Atlantic in October:
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

Yes, I read both articles by Don Street and Jen Brett a few months ago. I agree with them. But for most of us, it will let us think twice every time we plan to go into the Pond. But it hardly deters us sailing to Bermuda or BVI.

I guess it depends on what is your objective for your hobby. It will be insane for me to ask a fisherman to stop fishing becasue he can buy the fish in the supermarket. Likewise, I can't ask the Golfer to pick his ball and put in the hole. It is sure more efficient than putting the ball with a stick.

Against all element and odds, to come out alive have its reward. When we go sailing, other human lives will be at stake, I advocate that we all should sail solo in the Pond and don't activate your EPIRB if our boat is sinking. We should get into our life raft and wait for the storm to pass, then activate our EPIRB and get pick up. By doing so, no one needs to risk their live to save our ass. I have thought about this for many years. That is what I am going to do .

For my $1.5 MM insurance policy, my wife encourages me to paddle my Kayak to UK.
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

A relative newbie asked one of our sailing mentors how he could tell if he was ready for his first major passage. Our mentor replied, "When you are willing to do it without insurance."

Like your EPIRB, this says it all.

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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

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dont ye think it strange that the bounty and her master of 20 yrs and direct descendent of fletcher christian all go missing on same day????
Good point.

Was there a good luck coin stepped under the mast when the ship was first built?

Was the coin removed and not replaced when new spars were installed?
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

For me and possibly many others is why was the Bounty out there in trhe first place. What compelling reason had they for sailing out into what was being forecast as a superstorm.
As for the statement that ta ship is safer at sea than in a harbor -- maybe for a warship with power to burn, a large and experienced crew and backup systems on backup systems but not for anything else, esepcially for an undermanned square-rigger.
The original Bounty had a crew of 44 officers and men this version had 16.
The original Bounty was a Royal Navy ship and as such her officers had started out as midshipmen in their young teens and had sailed these ships in all kinds of conditions and all sorts of weather. The same was true of the petty officers. While the crews usually had at least a leavening of experienced sailors.
The Bounty was not a sailboat, she was a full-rigged sailing ship. She handled in a very different manner from the vessels we sail, especially in extreme conditions. With all due respect to this captain and crew there is no way they could have had the experience necessary to sail the Bounty through Sandy.
I suspect that the plan was to motor until they were past the storm and then motorsail. I have no idea how the Bounty would handle under power especially with no press of canvas to provide some stability.
We don't know why the Bounty started taking on a lot of water.We also don't know whether the rising water drowned the engines and the generator or whether power was lost for some other reason. In either xase the ship was doomed.
So again why was the Bounty out there in the first place.
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

No one here knows what the condition of the boat was nor what the original specifications were. Did they use the right kind of wood to frame and plank her? No one knows (although we do know some of the shipbuilding woods used to build the original hulls are simply unavailable now at any price). It's all pure speculation. All we know is that she was in a dangerous place and did not have to be there.
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

years ago i was advised she had coins.
i was shown the hull. she was awesome.
read the epic tale in the bounty's pages of the reality of the situation. is revealing and accurate to what was occurring, per the cpt and crew as it happened. most interesting material, including his chosen path BETWEEN front and storm--they were in calmer seas and lighter winds and had only the generator as a problem. they were NOT in the hurricane, they were west of it, and east of the approaching cold front that eventually merged with the hurricane. very interesting stuff.
it will be interesting to read each crew's memories as they are written, or after they are--but i believe the overall facts will match that which was on the pages of bounty as she endured the situation.
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years ago i was advised she had coins.
i was shown the hull. she was awesome.
read the epic tale in the bounty's pages of the reality of the situation. is revealing and accurate to what was occurring, per the cpt and crew as it happened. most interesting material, including his chosen path BETWEEN front and storm--they were in calmer seas and lighter winds and had only the generator as a problem. they were NOT in the hurricane, they were west of it, and east of the approaching cold front that eventually merged with the hurricane. very interesting stuff.
Could you post a link to this?
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

Zee, I saw the same thing. And I'm reminded of a t-shirt that says something like, "Don't go sailing, you could get turned over by a wave and die. You could get swallowed by a shark and die. You could get struck by lightning and die." After the cartoon of a guy on a sofa with the big beer belly watching TV with the remote control in his hand and the snacks in front of him, "You could fall out of bed and die."

Or something like that. (sorry, this is all hitting really close to home these couple of days)
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Re: HMS Bounty in trouble...

More news:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/11...urricane-Sandy

Many questions, few answers about loss of HMS Bounty to hurricane Sandy - CSMonitor.com
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