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HighFly_27 11-04-2012 09:10 AM

1st Aid at Sea & Important Like Items to Carry
I'm in the process of Outfitting my I37 and I'd Like Some Old Salt'S Advice.

I need to buy a Good Quality 1st Aid Kit and add to it. My location is S. FL and Caribbean (sailing area). Most of the sailing will be single added. I assume, that buying the largest 1st Aid Kit would be right (best) choice. I have not looked to see if they are different for marine usage.

My No# 1 Question is: What do you carry and why ? I'm addressing a number of things, have read the Single Handed Sailing Article.

a. Boat Sinking and being in a storm is not required to sink. The I 37 that I just bought was close to sinking when a thru hull fitting let go (former owner story). The pump had a hard time keeping up to the flow and they barely made it to port (prior to sinking) in time.

So, what Emergency equipment needs __ ,___,_____ to be readily available, to grap it, get in the dinghy, or life vest and survive until you're picked (S. FL, warm water) ?!?

Yes, I see the survival kits with the emer. transmitters, food & water, flares, etc. . I'm asking about other great items to have ... that You Recommend. These items are over & above the emer. kits, something you think is important, grap it when you leave your boat. Also, this may be in the middle of the night, really scary and a different world to survive in.

I have read about sailing single handed and failing over board. I read that it's very difficult to get back on board if this occurs while under sail. I read about wearing a tethered harness, having a swim ladder that will deploy at the tug of the rope (smart idea).

Good Over the Counter Med.'s on Board ?

Sickness/ Injury: Falls (broken bones, sprains), Bad Cuts, Burns, Heat Stoke, Food Poisioning, Long (week or so) Term Effects of -- Bad Case of Flu, Pneumonia or like sickness that lends you to being bed fast (very weak) & your by yourself. I assume, once you realize your in a bad situation... You'd put out a distress call to the USCG. I hope your radios are good and not out of range, that would be a bad situation, so SOS is next.

The Best tlll Last.. the Bad Guy's Out There (Pirates).

I know of the Pirate danger, was in the military. I worked with different law enforement agency's in S. FL and other locations. I will ask what is permitted to be carried on board in a off topic question per the law. I talking about being away from the coast (Grand Turks & Caicos Islands) line and furher down the Caribbean chain. I'm aware of the drug traffic there, bad things can happen out there, particulary at night. Just asking for your knowledge or someones personal experience(s) i.e. what happened to ____ (?) . I think we all get more out of, " this happened to me story's ! " I remember all the times I was in a bad situation (Wx, combat, maint. problems, green horn mistakes) and lived to tell about it & passed these event's on to others.

I'm asking for this information to add to my preperation/ readiness knowledge base; including others that may read this thread. Having a well (emer. gear) prepared boat (knowing what to do).. may/ will be difference in being a -- Survivor or Not !

msmith10 11-04-2012 10:41 AM

Re: 1st Aid at Sea & Important Like Items to Carry

Originally Posted by HighFly_27 (Post 942674)
I'm in the process of Outfitting my I37 and I'd Like Some Old Salt'S Advice.

I need to buy a Good Quality 1st Aid Kit and add to it. My location is S. FL and Caribbean (sailing area). Most of the sailing will be single added. I assume, that buying the largest 1st Aid Kit would be right (best) choice. I have not looked to see if they are different for marine usage.

Wrong assumption. I recommend that you make your own first aid kit. Larger more expensive kits often just contain a lot of crap that you'll never use or that you're paying way too much for. Like the "500 piece nut and bolt set" that contains 450 washers.
Get a good first aid book and read it, take a first aid course. Think about what you might need. Look over the contents of some of the boaters first aid kits that are for sale- they list the contents at the online stores. What are your capabilities? No sense buying or stocking a catheter if you have no idea how to use it, even though it's a good thing to have offshore.

sailordave 11-04-2012 11:14 AM

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First off, you're all over the place w/ your initial post. What are you really asking? Sounds more like "What do I need for every conceivable situation?"

No offense but what I draw from your comments is it sounds like you don't have much actual experience and want to throw a bunch of stuff on the boat to deal w/ all kinds of potential issues and go. Not that it hasn't been done before, but if you're really not that experienced maybe you should spend some time singlehanding and getting to know your boat and more importantly, what YOU need on the boat. Experience will tell you if you need any or all of the "stuff" that the so called experts on the internet tell you you need.

PERSONALLY, I am still in the process of figuring out just what tools I HAVE to have on board, to say nothing of other gear. But you would be surprised at how little you HAVE to have. Sailing ability, in my mind ranks at the top of the list and from your comments it sounds to me like you don't have a lot of real life experience. Not a slam, just an observation.

HighFly_27 11-04-2012 12:14 PM

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Absolutely, I have (6 months) limited sailing experience and trying to get up to speed in the next six months. I will be attending a 3 day refresher course in December and follow on instruction after my 3 days.

Ref. this thread, I was trying to .. obtain added information from Experienced Sailors that have years & years of experience. I have read the -- Single Handed Sailing article and have other books (sailing bibles) arriving this coming week from Ebay.

I (above) already got an a tip, don't go out & buy a big 1st aid kit and think you're there. Buy a 1st Kit that has 5 star reviews and add to it, what I need on board.

The other questions about -- Emer. Gear, I'd like to know what other people have added to their boats (purchased) emer. gear. This is important information for me and to hear Why ! Just reading something in a book is general info. and I'd like to know more. If I was asked the question about survial from going down in a aircraft crash, I could cover this area from A to Z.

The Pirate Deal is an issue that I'm concerned about. I use to fly in the Caribbean area and did intercepts (suspected bad guys). The Grand Turks & Caicos Islands had some bad guy activity. I will address what is permitted to be carried on board in the off topic area.

The other items I'm looking ... real life examples i.e. I fell over board and of if I was single handed ... I would have died... just me in the middle of the ocean as the boat sailed away. The other was unforeseen sickness or injury. How hard is it to contact the USCG or (??). I know what to do if I'm close to a port (no brainer). I asking about how powerful my radio (25 watts) needs to be. I want to be heard when I transmit on emer. channel and get help if I need it.

Closing -- I was all over the place, just trying to cover areas that are not that well covered in the book(s); that's where I going with this thread, so bear with me. I thought that everyone could prosper from some good tips, and may save their life (perhaps).

Flybyknight 11-04-2012 03:47 PM

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Look at it from a different perspective;
What could go wrong?
Stop the bleeding
Cauterize a wound
set a broken bone
Neutralize a nasty sting
Treat a serious burn
EPIRB & strobe
Treat a case of food poisoning
Headache meds
Harness, jack lines, and a fool proof assembly to recover a mob especially if it's you.
Redundancy in sails and rigging.
Keep a log
Learn skills to present a photo essay.
Weapons for personal security.

The above are the basics, imho.


tdw 11-04-2012 04:54 PM

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Peoples .... First Aid Kits and Guns are two very different areas and if this thread is to head off into yet another Guns on Board thread then it will end up languishing in Off Topic.

Highfly , if you want to discuss guns then I suggest you edit your original post and start a new thread , if you must, in Off Topic for your weapons chat.

As for First Aid ..... definitely take a course. So much of what many of us thing we know of First Aid consists of a bunch of old wives tales or at best is simply outdated.

For mine, a good basic First Aid kit is in fact a good idea but it is only a start. From there you need tailor the thing to your own requirements and to build up on those items that the kit may have only a few yet when needed you may require many. Burn kits come to mind. A bad scalding at sea is likely to require constant re dressing. Have the right gear in the right quantity and you can cope with even quite bad burns , not enough and the patient is at best left in great discomfort.

jjablonowski 11-04-2012 05:40 PM

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Former EMTs and full-time cruisers Karen and Jeffrey Siegel, the couple who run the Web site, have some opinions, here.

sailordave 11-04-2012 06:36 PM

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HIGHFLY: 6months experience huh? That's great you're going to take another 3 day course but that isn't going to give you the ability to make decisions when it all goes to shyt. That comes from experience and sailing w/ others more experienced than yourself. Sure, some people have bought a boat and sailed away w/ NO experience but I lump them into the GOD HAD MERCY ON THEM category.

Instead of spending your time worrying about how to handle all the really tough things, get a smallish boat and sail the hell out of it in places where if you overreach you can still get help.

Just from your posts it's pretty obvious you are NOT at a skill level where you should be worrying about needing an EPIRB, pirates, how to contact the CG, etc. Dream about that in an armchair next to a fire this winter. When you can, get out and sail so you understand the principles of trim, apparent wind speed and angle. Learn how to use the SIX (6) lines that *most* boats have to shape and control a mainsail. Can you steer a straight course? At night? Can you trim your sails so they are efficient and then sail to the telltales?
Not trying to burst your bubble, but it sounds like you are putting the boat way ahead of the skipper.

PS. Proper spelling helps people take you more seriously.

HighFly_27 11-04-2012 06:42 PM

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Good Lead Back to the Info. from 17 Yr. EMT's (Karen & Jeffery).

This is the type of information we all need to be up on. Everyone needs to refresh ones knowledge from time to time. When I was flying in the army, in combat.. we had to be up on 1st aid (big time). We were able to make the difference between life and not making it (in some cases). Yes, I understand that we are living the good life when blue water sailing..however, 1st aid should not be dusty topic when we need it.

hellosailor 11-04-2012 08:42 PM

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Highfly, there are plenty of threads on this, here and elsewhere.

A "first aid kit" basically is what you use for headaches and splinters and booboos, and yes a $10-15 kit from a bigbox store is just fine.

What you might want on the boat is a "trauma kit" or "first responders kit" or "medic kit" which is where you get into a fast $200-500 if you buy it prefilled. That's going to have the splints, bandage rolls, heavy meds, etc. that may be needed offshore. You can get the meds by asking your doctor for rxes after explaining the purpose to him. If he's a schmuck and doesn't want to help, you go elsewhere, and if you are the captain of a federally documented vessel you can order drugs directly from a "dispensary pharmacy" which is allowed to sell them to you directly that way, no doctor required. Your local pharmacy should be able to assist in that--assuming they aren't a clueless bigbox shop.

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