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Re: Question regarding Rocna Anchor's Roll Bar

If enough sailors anchor out enough times, I suspect that anything, no matter how statistically unlikely, will eventually happen ...

We've had our Rocna since 2009; 2 round trips ICW and back Chesapeake to Bahamas/Florida with lots of anchoring in lots of conditions. In all that time, we dragged once, and that was in a *tornado!!* On two separate occaisionsions, unattended boats our size or larger dragged into us (one in a gale at 3 AM, isn't that always when these kinds of things happen?). Our Rocna held BOTH boats for hours and didn't move until we could get the owners back and get them separated. Neither case was the roll-bar issue you are concerned about; my satisfaction with the anchor is based on the fact that it held much more than its rated load.
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Re: Question regarding Rocna Anchor's Roll Bar

I concur with wingNwing. I've had my main Rocna since 2006 and my secondary Rocna since about 2009. While I haven't been dragged down on I did hold a four boat raftup through an afternoon Chesapeake Bay thunderstorm.

I can also add that when fully set the Rocna roll bar is generally fully buried. Accordingly it is no more likely to catch the anchor of a dragging boat than is your chain. The story told is a great story to tell at the bar but should not contribute to the decision-making process when selecting an anchor.
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Re: Question regarding Rocna Anchor's Roll Bar

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As an aside, CG, BC's favourite 'dragging ground' at Newcastle is now mostly a mooring buoy field.. the park people installed them over last winter. They seem well used and appear to be addressing the various issues that plagued that bay - and anchoring/inside among the new buoys is forbidden (in all of Mark Bay).
Nanaimo is about to become a non issue for most cruisers, as the down town docks are about to be sold to a private company, with a reputation for charging huge fees for dingy access, putting it off limits for all but the rich.
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Re: Question regarding Rocna Anchor's Roll Bar

Roger that. The roll bar can get buried under the right conditions.

The design actually 'flies' through the water when you drop it, and always seems to land point down for me. In fact that's a hassle when raising it, as the boat's forward motion will make the anchor hit the bow rollers backwards. But I've learned to deal with it.

One thing about the roll bar that no one mentions: When anchored long term, or in conditions with changing tides and breezes, I believe that it helps avoid having your rode foul on the shank or flukes by guiding the chain over the anchor.

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Re: Question regarding Rocna Anchor's Roll Bar

With anecdotal and circumstantial evidence all the rage in anchor boasting, here's mine: I usually use a 15 pound aluminum fortress with 30 feet of chain. More chain if there is coral or sharp rock. 50 foot, 10 ton boat. Have "never dragged" except places where everybody drags due to some smooth hard bottom or dense weed. Full time, long time, cruiser in remote tropical places. And I'm not the only one doing so.
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Re: Question regarding Rocna Anchor's Roll Bar

..... so what I'm hearing here is that if everyone just used a Rocna (or Mantus) there'd be no more of this "draggin" goin on.
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Re: Question regarding Rocna Anchor's Roll Bar

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With anecdotal and circumstantial evidence all the rage in anchor boasting, here's mine: I usually use a 15 pound aluminum fortress with 30 feet of chain. More chain if there is coral or sharp rock. 50 foot, 10 ton boat. Have "never dragged" except places where everybody drags due to some smooth hard bottom or dense weed. Full time, long time, cruiser in remote tropical places. And I'm not the only one doing so.
Only a 15lb for your 50ft boat? What is your boat? I just got a 21lb for 47ft boat that weighs appx 15 ton. What size chain you use, I was thinking 3/8 SS for the short length I'll use for the fortress. I have heard nothing but good things about the fortress, and the fact I don't have a windlass now and the price was unbeatable("refurbished" BP oil spill anchor from defender) I went with it. It will be a back/kedge anchor later on.

When I do get a mantus I was thinking 5/16 G40 for the main anchor down the road..

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Only a 15lb for your 50ft boat? What is your boat?
Oooops. I just looked it up. It's a 10 pounder. Heh. It has more projected fluke area than steel anchors 5 times the weight, maybe. Imagine what a 60 pounder would hold. The chain is 5/16". The boat is a sexy racer/cruiser with the chain stowed in the center, thus the reluctance to move 300 pounds of chain and anchor to load up the windlass. But I do if conditions warrant, of course. I'm not lazy or a fool, IMHO.
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Re: Question regarding Rocna Anchor's Roll Bar

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With anecdotal and circumstantial evidence all the rage in anchor boasting, here's mine: I usually use a 15 pound aluminum fortress with 30 feet of chain. More chain if there is coral or sharp rock. 50 foot, 10 ton boat. Have "never dragged" except places where everybody drags due to some smooth hard bottom or dense weed. Full time, long time, cruiser in remote tropical places. And I'm not the only one doing so.
I'm sorry, but I think I read your post wrong. Did you mean to say a 50 foot, 10 ton boat? What exactly are you sailing?
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Re: Question regarding Rocna Anchor's Roll Bar

Back to the OPs original question, if a boat is dragging down on you it will hit you before the anchors collide, its simple math. I was a Delta user for more years than I can remember and loved that anchor and swore by it. When I was given a free Rocna I took it just as a test mostly because I wanted to prove that they aren't any better and all the reports were by cool aide drinking brainwashed sailors. I WAS WRONG now I'm drinking the cool aide. The Ronca is hands down the best anchor I have ever used. My fist night on it was in a full blown gale and that night I coined the term Rocna'd to sleep. My two cents is if you love your boat by one period. One thing that really gets my goat is all the talk of oversized anchors, a bower is sized to hold you in 40 knots or so sustained winds, if it packs up more than that you better start thinking of getting a second hook set. All those people that are buying oversized anchors really just need to learn to anchor properly if anything you can downsize with a new generation anchor either way they are great anchors and cheap insurance.

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