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Who cares about the Coast Guard inquiry?

It's probably Mickey Mouse in comparison with the coming lawsuits. The captain is dead and the ship is gone.

What are they going to do, pull the deceased captain's license and fine the owner of the boat for failure to maintain or assess the costs of the rescue?

Much to the chagrin of those who believe in government to solve our problems, administrative proceedings are not the be-all and end-all to legal liability.

What makes you think the Coast Guard Marine Board is going to be "Mickey-Mouse"? And that private lawsuits are going to do such a better job?

Have you participated in a formal Board? You're aware the parties in interest have the right to employ legal counsel, who are relatively free to probe anything relevant? Likely the same lawyers to be involved in the subsequent I-want-money litigation.

The Board has the duty to try to find out what happened factually, and to recommend any regulatory changes they find advisable. Also to put the fear of God into all the other licensed Masters, regardless of the apparent death of the licensed captain here. Also, in private litigation, the attorneys/parties decide what evidence they want to put forward or keep on the down-low (if they can). Those proceedings can be more about winning a narrow legal issue and deemphasizing unfavorable evidence, than about getting the full factual picture and determining what's good (or bad) for the industry and the public looking ahead. Also the Board members tend to have decent general maritime experience and knowledge. Not necessarily so, depending on which federal or state judge you draw, or what jury pool you're asking to figure out a marine casualty

But hey, free country (full disclosure--I'm retired Coast Guard Reserve and have sat on, and practiced before, these boards). You can call then just an "administrative procedure" if you want, but they do have credibility with the public historically, at least in my view. Your mileage may vary, but this is mine.
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This thread I started on SBO will probably be of interest to those who have read this far:

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Those look like gate valves rather than seacocks. It also looks like the extinguisher is verging on being low. Didn't I read in this thread that the Bounty just passed a CG inspection?

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Didn't I read in this thread that the Bounty just passed a CG inspection?
Only as far as not presenting a hazard to visitors while tied to a dock if it was anything beyond the same safety inspection they might give your boat. She was certificated as an "Attraction Vessel" which is moved from port to port by a professional crew. It's about the lowest rung of USCG oversight.

The fact that she was providing sail training and could not continue in business without people willing to work for token wages may have some unfortunate consequences for the sail training and historic vessel community. The USCG investigation of the "Pride" was largely motivated by avoiding opening up that can of worms but they may not be able to duck it this time.
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Those look like gate valves rather than seacocks. It also looks like the extinguisher is verging on being low. Didn't I read in this thread that the Bounty just passed a CG inspection?
Ball Valves. OK to use ball valves as long as the threads are compatible ie NPT to NPT or NPS to NPS.
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The electrical system is all wrong from the wires to the control board being low. With water sloshing around all system would short out easily. No more energy, no more water pumps.

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The fact that she was providing sail training and could not continue in business without people willing to work for token wages may have some unfortunate consequences for the sail training and historic vessel community.
Perhaps one of the maritime lawyers will answer this question:

Doesn't that set up, claiming the passengers are crew due to token wages, also protect the owner of the ship because the Jones Act/Death on the High Seas law limit the potential liability of the ship owner in a maritime accident, just as workers compensation laws do for work-related injuries on land?

And isn't it correct that such a limitation of liability would not protect the captain's estate from a wrongful death claim by the family of the deceased woman crew member?
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Roger,
Your post on the Pride that you referenced is fascinating. I can't say that I understand all the technical details, but I didn't spend much time trying, either.

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