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Re: Boo TowBoatUS! They don't connect their own DSC

Rick the Raymarine AIS ( both sending and receiving) in real time is networked on our chartplotter. The E7 Raymarine will stream all the data on the screen to an IPAD or Droid.

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Re: Boo TowBoatUS! They don't connect their own DSC

Not to get too far off the topic, but since it's the OP talking...

Where's the AIS coming from? I have setup pretty much the same except I use PolarNavy on the PC (dell mini notebook that runs on a 100w inverter with a GPS puck I got for 15 bucks), and its a backup at the nav station inside.
I use my SH 2150x VHF for the AIS, works like a charm.

And yes, the area Towboat US skippers are not following the policy; no checks on DSC.
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Re: Boo TowBoatUS! They don't connect their own DSC

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Rick, that picture actually scares me. My experience on the Delaware was conditions didn't get as lumpy as I see on the Bay, but I'd be afraid of falling into the laptop in rough conditions or in a lot of confused wakes - which wouldn't feel good for me or the laptop.

And what about spray?...
Jim,

After 2 seasons of using the netbook in the cockpit, most of those concerns have disappeared. What you don't see in the pic is the wheel, which is directly below the netbook and creates enough of an obstacle that it forces me to maneuver around the pedestal with enough clearance that I don't come close to the netbook. Also not pictured is the split backstay that angles in from both sides, and encourages me to keep my body low as I shift from side to side in the cockpit. Especially in rough conditions, I will typically slide from the center helm seat to one side or the other without even standing up. This keeps me from colliding with the backstay, and keeps me well away from the netbook.

I can only recall a couple times when we got a drop or two of water on the keyboard. Anytime conditions raise the risk, I take the netbook below and use the handheld Garmin for GPS/charts, and my cockpit RAM mic shows a crude display of AIS targets. It's not as graphically rich as my primary setup, but it works in a pinch. If the netbook is driving the Autopilot through a pre-plotted route, it continues to do so via Bluetooth from inside the cabin. (I did actually have the boat auto-navigate all the way up from Delaware City during a rainstorm last September. I sat on the perch seat up under the bimini to stay dry, and kept a lookout while the computer steered the boat under motor power.)

The netbook is 4 or 5 years old, so if some accident were to happen it's close to its end of life anyway. I'll regret losing its incredibly bright daylight viewable screen, but since the whole system is based on Bluetooth broadcasts from the boat and free software/maps, it could easily be replaced, probably with a Windows 8 tablet running OpenCPN.
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Re: Boo TowBoatUS! They don't connect their own DSC

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...Where's the AIS coming from?...
The 2150 sends AIS via NMEA to the RS232 end of the Bluetooth adapter, which broadcasts it to any Bluetooth enabled device that wants to listen.
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...And yes, the area Towboat US skippers are not following the policy; no checks on DSC.
Sad that they do not follow their own advice! They've got a press release out that that says they'll do this, but they don't.
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Re: Boo TowBoatUS! They don't connect their own DSC

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I can only recall a couple times when we got a drop or two of water on the keyboard. Anytime conditions raise the risk, I take the netbook below and use the handheld Garmin for GPS/charts, and my cockpit RAM mic shows a crude display of AIS targets. It's not as graphically rich as my primary setup, but it works in a pinch.
Ahh, that makes sense.

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If the netbook is driving the Autopilot through a pre-plotted route, it continues to do so via Bluetooth from inside the cabin. (I did actually have the boat auto-navigate all the way up from Delaware City during a rainstorm last September. I sat on the perch seat up under the bimini to stay dry, and kept a lookout while the computer steered the boat under motor power.)
That's very cool. Connecting my chartplotter to my autopilot is on my to-do list, but sailing on the bay it just never seemed all that important to get it done.

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The netbook is 4 or 5 years old, so if some accident were to happen it's close to its end of life anyway. I'll regret losing its incredibly bright daylight viewable screen, but since the whole system is based on Bluetooth broadcasts from the boat and free software/maps, it could easily be replaced, probably with a Windows 8 tablet running OpenCPN.
I'd be surprised if we don't see daylight viewable, waterproof tablets in the not to distant future if someone isn't already making one. It just seems a logical extension for Garmin or Raymarine to do.
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Re: Boo TowBoatUS! They don't connect their own DSC

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I'd be surprised if we don't see daylight viewable, waterproof tablets in the not to distant future if someone isn't already making one. It just seems a logical extension for Garmin or Raymarine to do.
I doubt they would replace fixed ones . Thats why they are making them bluetooth and wireless in as small as 7" models so you can stream them into your i pad or droid.

There are some advantages to having the chartplotter fixed at the helm or nav station in a navpod.

Start with its a nice clean streamlined look and installation. Easy to run power and keep it powered. Less suseptible to damage as not only are they made for marine environement, so are their charging/ power connections.

That doesnt mean there isnt usefullness in the other.
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...Start with its a nice clean streamlined look and installation. Easy to run power and keep it powered. Less suseptible to damage as not only are they made for marine environement, so are their charging/ power connections.

That doesnt mean there isnt usefullness in the other.
I fully admit that am a special case. On this boat I am a fair weather daysailor, in fresh water. Also I'm a geek, and willing to fiddle with a complicated schematic, special configuration files and .bat files to tweak the software to do exactly what I want it to do (such as open two windows in very specific locations on the screen). This is potentially very different from other Sailnetters.

However, for those with similar skills to mine, my setup does offer some very nice advantages in the split screen, and the ability to turn the screen in different directions. And the software has been rock solid all summer long. I haven't had to reboot the computer once - I just put it to sleep when done, and wake it up next time. As my sailing technique has evolved on this boat, I find myself moving around the cockpit a lot (steering from the side with the wheel between my legs, or from the catbird seat), and could not imagine having my chartplotter on a fixed pod. But that's just on this boat in my current sailing area. I could imagine it being very different on a different boat.
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A question out of complete ignorance, could I have the same connection with a bluetooth IPAD? and is there an app?

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Re: Boo TowBoatUS! They don't connect their own DSC

Dave, Rick,
I think we're more in agreement than we realize.

I'm envisioning a rugged, daylight viewable bluetooth tablet designed to work in concert with a dedicated chart plotter.

The chartplotter is rugged enough to be at the helm in any conditions and its interface is easy to use while piloting the boat.

A dedicated tablet allows you to plan your trip, enter way points, bring up Active Captain info, look at aerial photos of your approach, etc., all on a much larger screen that's easier to interact with. If it's rugged and daylight viewable it can be used above or below deck. If it's running Android it's expandable with apps.

The ability to recognize and sync with a bluetooth headset and phone would allow you to call ahead to a marina by clicking on it or choosing it from the chart plotter. Tie the VHF in via bluetooth and that same headset or earbud could be used to make hands free VHF calls or calls to an AIS target. Think about the advantage of having your hands free on an emergency VHF call.

Or how about being able to use two bluetooth earpieces through the system so you could talk with someone of the foredeck when anchoring or docking?

I think we're just starting to scratch the surface of this technology.

And Rick I like the idea of being able to rotate the plotter. Mine is on a swivel so I can see it when I'm forward of the wheel.

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Re: Boo TowBoatUS! They don't connect their own DSC

Yes I agree. I like the chartplotter which is inegrated with all my Raymarine insturments...autopilot, AIS, radar, deptfinder, and wind as well as engine instrruemtation.

I can Set my screen split with just two active components, which I usually do with radar side by side with cartigraphy and ais or superimpose. You can actually divide the cscreen into 4. I use my IPAD to move around the boat and pllot course and can lay it into the chartplotter. Everything on the plotter shows up on the IPAD. It also shows up on my droid phone, but my old eyes along with the bouncing motion of the boat make it a kittke more difficult to read.

I am not as computer savy as Rick so my high tech is going to be different and have to be set up for me. I also dont hink for the type of sailing I do,,,offshore sometimes and night...that a netbook topsides as my primary ( after charts) will work. I love the new AIS integration. HOoever it can be a bit ,uch sometimes

On our last trip to the LI Sound and NE we were heading up the Jersey coast at night. During the day we stayed 3-4 miles off the shore and could see everything visually well so no need to radar, AIS. As we approached Sandy Hook at dusk I turned on the radar and AIS and had a 5 mile ring set up and it looked like an acrade game. TMI One I split screen it was better. The fast ferrys from Atlantic Hihghlands to Manahattan looked like comets accross the screen.

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