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post #11 of 19 Old 11-16-2012
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Hey Mark - it's good to see you around, dude. How have you been?

I'll take a look at your blog. You still in NY?
I've been great thanks
NY was a blast!
Now in St Augustine Florida then Key West for Christmas next year back across the Atlantic to the Med for the season, so it's all great fun!
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Re: What's it really like out there?

Steve Callahan, 76 days adrift in a raft, told of dorado, trigger fish or sharks around the raft all the time. He mostly caught triggers but speared some dorado too.

Dougal Robertson, along with four others, (38 days at sea) talked about dorado, turtles or sharks with them all the time, mostly turtles. Once they got the hang of catching them, they had enough food to live indefinitely.

For both, water was a more serious problem.

Both talked about the constant thumping on the bottom of their life rafts. I imagined sea life attaching itself to the bottom and fish hitting it for food, kind of creating their own ecosystem. But I'm sure it's a lot different drifting slowly in a raft than sailing through the water.
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Steve Callahan, 76 days adrift in a raft, told of dorado, trigger fish or sharks around the raft all the time
Yes, a raft will act as a FAD, fish aggregating device.
But if your boat is moving then those fish won't cluster about your boat.

Steve Callahan said he thought one dorado followed him the whole way.

Now the more important point is do you think you should be reading those sort of books before you go cruising???

On my first long solo passage, from the canaries to West Indies guess what book I too to read?? Yep! Lololol Steve and I did the Atlantic together. I think he scared the crap outta me.

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Re: What's it really like out there?

When I circumnavigated in the 70's there was plenty of sea life out there; we caught fish every time we set a line, everywhere except the Med. Flying fish on deck almost every morn in the Pacific and squid in the Indian Ocean (both make a great breakfast).
Birds, sharks, mantas, sunfish, whales and dolphin/porpoise; you name it, they were around, not every day, but often enough to keep life interesting. I remember acres and acres of fish, dolphin (playing) as far as the eye could see and whales all around us on many a sail.
I set sail from Newport, RI in Nov, 2010 and sailed to St. Thomas via Bermuda. 3 measly fish in 14 days sailing. Return from Puerto Rico to Charleston, SC; 1 tuna in 10 days. Left Newport (Oct, 2011) again for St.T again via Bermuda; 2 smallish dolphin ONLY.
SAME fishing lures, SAME fishing line, SAME fishing technique; I could ALWAYS count on fish to eat when I sailed, up until about 1984 when I shifted to large motor yachts.
"Remember the middle of the oceans are deep, thousands of meters deep. In the tropics there's not much nutrient to feed fish, therefore larger species don't prey there."
I always thought that way when I began sailing the oceans, but it just wasn't true. Now there are very few flying fish and little else out there to see, until you get close to the islands and even there everyone complains "it's NOT like the old days".
I can no longer offer advice on "sure fire fishing behind a sail boat" It worked like a charm for ALL who tried it for over 20 years.

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Yes, a raft will act as a FAD, fish aggregating device.
Fish aggregating device - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But if your boat is moving then those fish won't cluster about your boat.

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Yes, a raft will act as a FAD, fish aggregating device.
Fish aggregating device - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But if your boat is moving then those fish won't cluster about your boat.

Steve Callahan said he thought one dorado followed him the whole way.

Now the more important point is do you think you should be reading those sort of books before you go cruising???

On my first long solo passage, from the canaries to West Indies guess what book I too to read?? Yep! Lololol Steve and I did the Atlantic together. I think he scared the crap outta me.

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Also there is a big difference between a fast, clean, high sided sailboat, and a slow, low raft acting like a tea-strainer, letting the water through but staining out the flying fish. Bet they also had their own ecosystem on the underside of the logs, carrying along their own nutrients. Weren't those logs green when they started?
I would go with this explanation. Also, that the oceans have been terribly overfished.

And, yes, I think the crew of KonTiki used freshly cut Balsa, which absorbed water over time and made the raft even slower. I also recall that they observed one of the first Whale Sharks seen by man.

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I would go with this explanation. Also, that the oceans have been terribly overfished.

And, yes, I think the crew of KonTiki used freshly cut Balsa, which absorbed water over time and made the raft even slower. I also recall that they observed one of the first Whale Sharks seen by man.

EDIT: I WANNA GO!!!!!
Thank you, I thought I wasn't FADdish enough with my acronyms for my answer to be appreciated.

You are right, the logs slowly sank, but I think they felt that seasoned logs would sink even faster, that the sap kept the water out longer. I'm guessing that as the sap leached out it could provide nutrients to micro flora.

No copper paint either. I'm imagining the bottom of the raft looking like the Sargasso Sea at journey's end.
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Re: What's it really like out there?

Just because you don't see any life (fish, inverts, mammals, etc.) doesn't mean it's not there. Many of the oceanic/pelagic prey species are nocturnal, coming up from the deep in the dark of night when they are less likely to be spotted by hungry eyes.

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