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Re: An Informed Opinion about the Bounty

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Specially if, as it was stated by the OP, the Captain was a friend of his.

I can easily dispense such a kind of friends

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There is an old expression/question in response when someone asks a "friend" for an opinion. "Do you want the truth (i.e. my honest opinion) or do you want to stay friends?"

A "true" friend will tell their friend the truth if it is in the friend's best interest even tho' it may be hurtful/disappointing/undesired. Sometimes, the "truth" is hurtful. But. The consequences of untruth, even moreso.

Where there are no adverse consequences, one can argue that leavening the "truth" is acceptable social courtesy ("Why shoot, you don't look a day over 35" )

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See it doesnt take long to prove my point

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I can easily dispense such a kind of friends-Paulo

I dont find this humorous. Maybe some day someone you are friends with, in your family will make a tragic mistake. Does that mean you will abandon them?
I don't understand what you mean. I am referring to the author of the article posted on the Facebook. The author was supposedly a friend of the Bounty's captain and what I am saying is that I don't consider that someone should talk like that about a deceased friend, even if he had made mistakes

Care you to explain what you mean?

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There is an old expression/question in response when someone asks a "friend" for an opinion. "Do you want the truth (i.e. my honest opinion) or do you want to stay friends?"

A "true" friend will tell their friend the truth if it is in the friend's best interest even tho' it may be hurtful/disappointing/undesired. Sometimes, the "truth" is hurtful. But. The consequences of untruth, even moreso.

Where there are no adverse consequences, one can argue that leavening the "truth" is acceptable social courtesy ("Why shoot, you don't look a day over 35" )

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Yes, and I have understood and agreed if he expressed factually is opinion in an official inquiry if the opinion was asked to him, but without solicitation posting on the face book his opinion, that in my opinion is essentially truth, not in a factual way but with pomposity reveals bad taste and in my opinion not a great character.

I maintain that I prefer not having friends like him.

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Care you to explain what you mean?

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He means the people closest to a tragedy may look at it with rose colored glasses. Not only does it make acceptance easier but it also shows loyalty.

In some parts of the world it is up to the family to administer the punishment.... A few weeks ago a man was convicted by a court of rape and the father was given an AK47 and told to shoot the son. The father did.
In our countires it's acceptable for the father to always claim the innocence of his children, no matter the evidence.

I think our countries are better
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Re: An Informed Opinion about the Bounty

Chef,

Just a couple of thoughts:

1) If you were/are a good friend to the captain of the Bounty and his family, your postings would have carried lots more weight if you had said that up front. Comments from people who were close to the captain carry lots more weight than casual aquaintences or people who didn't know him.

2) To me, when one first indicates that they casually/professionally knew the captain from a visit to the Bounty, then later, when people take issue with you, you say you are a close friend to captain and his family, questions pop up in mind as to credibility since the two posts seem quite different. You took similar positions before the storm when a 16 year old new owner of a boat pleaded for advice on what to do for the storm....you took a position and only later after much posted argument against your position, you said that you were more involved with discussions with the boy's parents. Similarly, when you road out the fringes of Sandy at a pier, you talked about the how revealing that experience was, only after people questioned the wisdom of staying aboard, you described having experience to judge the risk, and talked about other, worse storms. To the casual reader, the question arises, which story is the real one. (Don't take too much issue with the words I've used, as I didn't go back to pull out exact quotes). Just a suggestion, the whole story up front will probably get fewer attacks to the postings.

3) I'm sorry that you lost a close friend. Despite his vast experience and being a nice guy, he, for whatever reason, made the wrong call. I once saw a fatal plane crash where the pilot was a big advocate for safety in the aviation industry....he was also an aerobatic pilot and at a local show, simply ran out of gas too low and in wrong attitude to make a dead stick landing.
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He means the people closest to a tragedy may look at it with rose colored glasses. Not only does it make acceptance easier but it also shows loyalty.

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Yes, but that is what I am saying: I am saying that a friend (the author of that article on the facebook) should not have publicly said those things the way he did about a friend, even if they were basically true. No colored glasses here, except if they were red ones, no loyalty either...and I would say a strange kind of friendship displayed.

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Very rarely do the individuals who make mistakes have to endure the public ridicule and questioning that Waldbridge has. I know this may anger my friend Minnie, but when a pilot makes an error which brings down a plane ( an it doesnt have to be a large one) I have not seen this kind of continued personal vicious reaction I have seen here. When a train engikneer crashes a train and kills 8...you dont see this. When a honest truck driver making a living doesnt stop and kills a family on an interste, no one is camping at his house or writing about it from across the sea and the country.

The reaction to this man, this quiet honest nice man is WAY disporportionate to what happened. ..
There are mistakes and mistakes. This is not a mistake but an huge error. I am only a toy airplane captain but I have no doubt that if an airplane commercial professional captain would have convinced the crew of his airplane to fly trough an huge storm that he new already that it was on its path when he took off, instead of enduring it on the ground or flying on the opposite direction (saying that it would be safer to do so) and as if consequence the plane was lost as well as lives you bet that on the sites related with flying the outrage would be as big as it is here and on other naval related sites.

That is not a mistake but an huge error that is not acceptable in any professional captain and that puts in question the professionalism of all sea captains.

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Re: An Informed Opinion about the Bounty

A question. Was the captain of the Costa Concordia attacked then the same way that Captain Walbridge is now? I really don't know. I was out of the country and did not have good internet access when it happened and didn't feel like reading back over hundreds (thousands?) of posts when I got back. IMHO what he did was far worse than anything Captain Walbridge did, running away and leaving 30 some people to die
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A question. Was the captain of the Costa Concordia attacked then the same way that Captain Walbridge is now? I really don't know. I was out of the country and did not have good internet access when it happened and didn't feel like reading back over hundreds (thousands?) of posts when I got back. IMHO what he did was far worse than anything Captain Walbridge did, running away and leaving 30 some people to die
Oh yes, that and much more. He is waiting for trial and could face more than 2000 years jail time:

Costa Concordia: Calls for 'Captain Coward' Francesco Schettino to face 2,697 years in jail | Mail Online

Costa Concordia captain faces survivors in court | World news | guardian.co.uk
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Yes, but that is what I am saying: I am saying that a friend (the author of that article on the facebook) should not have publicly said those things the way he did about a friend, even if they were basically true. No colored glasses here, except if they were red ones, no loyalty either...and I would say a strange kind of friendship displayed.

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I absolutely agree with you. That's exactly what I am saying. A true friend would say nothing or, as his wife has done, stand by him. The wife has done it well and correctly and no one would beg to disagree with her.
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