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Re: It's official sailing is safe sport

Wow, flying your own small plane is not on the list! Who is this insurer?

I got close to getting a 20 year policy and had to list scuba diving. My deepest dive in recent years was to 22 feet (with DavidPM, no less). Then I haven't been since. (Didn't go with that insurer, the policy was too expensive.)

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Re: It's official sailing is safe sport

They forgot to mention running with chopsticks in your nose.

Now that, my friends, is dangerous.
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Re: It's official sailing is safe sport

This is how people really die

How do people die? Global mortality and causes of death visualised | News | guardian.co.uk

Sailing isn't in there, nor is hitting containers, whales or beaches.
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Re: It's official sailing is safe sport

I believe that Sail Magazine, in the last few months published the number of boating fatalities in the US in one year. Sailboats , around 28. Power boats , in the hundreds

On a good boat in mid ocean is probably one of the safest places on the planet .
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Re: It's official sailing is safe sport

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I believe that Sail Magazine, in the last few months published the number of boating fatalities in the US in one year. Sailboats , around 28. Power boats , in the hundreds

On a good boat in mid ocean is probably one of the safest places on the planet .
I wouldn't have thought it would be as high as 28. Perhaps the stat is counting U.S. sailors, no matter the location of death?

And if you eliminate being hit by lightning and run down by speeding Sherriff deputies, it's probably a much smaller number.
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This is how people really die

How do people die? Global mortality and causes of death visualised | News | guardian.co.uk

Sailing isn't in there, nor is hitting containers, whales or beaches.
Great graphic, but sailing is definitely there, probably contributing to "Transport injuries" or "Unintentional injuries" or something.

Also, nothing about that graphic can be taken to imply that sailing is safe, nor that you are not likely to hit containers etc. if you go sailing. This is a very common argument: "Look at death stats. Almost nobody ever dies in sailing-related incidents, so sailing must be safe."

Almost nobody dies in outer space, and to my knowledge nobody has ever died during a spacewalk. That obviously does not imply that going into space or walking in space is "safe", in that there are not significant risks that demand enormous effort to overcome and secure against.

The problem is confusing probability with conditional probability. Your probability of dying in space is extremely small.... unless you happen to be in space, in which case it's quite a bit bigger.

Unfortunately, while we have pretty good stats on the risk factors that cause sailing to be dangerous (e.g. some percentage of drowning victims were not wearing lifejackets), we don't generally have the opposite stats (e.g. some percentage of boaters without lifejackets drown). The second category is a lot more useful: it tells me the exact risk I'm taking as a function of the decisions I make. But because we only see the data after there's an incident, we don't really know how many times a given decision results in a perfectly benign outcome.
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I believe that Sail Magazine, in the last few months published the number of boating fatalities in the US in one year. Sailboats , around 28. Power boats , in the hundreds
According to NOAA, in 1998, of the 16,824,000 boats in use, only 1,669,000 were sailboats. So when you say "in the hundreds" do you mean more or less than 252? If it's less than 252, then per boat, sailboats are associated with more deaths than powerboats.

I'm not saying this is the case; in fact I doubt that it is, but the number "28" is meaningless by itself, and comparing sailboat-deaths to powerboat-deaths is meaningless if we don't have any other information about the populations (sailboats and powerboats) themselves.

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On a good boat in mid ocean is probably one of the safest places on the planet .
Perhaps, unless you happen to be sinking, or a terrible sailor, or in need of medical attention, or in a storm.

Being in a stationary car on a rarely used road far away from any population centers is probably just as safe. Does that mean that driving is just as safe as sailing?
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It's official sailing is safe sport.
i am glad to hear that. Personally, I found sailing even by yourself in the big pond is safer than riding a motorcycle across the country. My wife prefers me sailing than riding a bike into NYC any day. .
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Wow, flying your own small plane is not on the list! Who is this insurer?

I got close to getting a 20 year policy and had to list scuba diving. My deepest dive in recent years was to 22 feet (with DavidPM, no less). Then I haven't been since. (Didn't go with that insurer, the policy was too expensive.)

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They did mention piloting, it had it's own paragraph
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Re: It's official sailing is safe sport

I'm pretty sure the odds of dying on a sailboat are about the same as being eaten by a transvestite monkey (which, you'll notice, is also a means of demise not on that list). Of course, if you fall off said sailboat without a pfd, the monkey usually wins.
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