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Re: Lifesling or Horseshoe for MOB

I own two lifeslings, got rid of the horseshoe, and have an orange ring which is coming back onto the boat. Never gave much thought to the weight of the lifesling. Love this forum.

I need to install my jackline and use the harness religiously. Going to pick up couple more harnesses for my passengers. Good thing we got bonuses yesterday. Going to get the harnesses tomorrow.
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Re: Lifesling or Horseshoe for MOB

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I need to install my jackline and use the harness religiously. Going to pick up couple more harnesses for my passengers. Good thing we got bonuses yesterday. Going to get the harnesses tomorrow.
I'd think twice before bothering with jacklines on a boat smaller than 30, or even 35 feet...

I think a far more effective setup, is to have tethers fixed at the base of the mast, long enough to reach the forward part of the cockpit, that you can clip onto before going on deck. Chances are that length will allow you to go the bow, as well. I have another tether ready on the foredeck as well, where you'd generally most appreciate additional security, anyway. You really want to have a ready cleat on the mast, giving the ability to shorten up the tether when at the mast - mine's right at chest level, affording me the ability to comfortably have both hands free when reefing, etc...

While I do have jacklines on my own 30-footer as well, I virtually never use them, feeling that the fixed tethers afford FAR more security, and are much easier to use... Jacklines really only make sense on much larger boats than yours, or when more than one person is going forward, but still - the jackline setups on most of the boats I get on generally leave a LOT to be desired, and on all but the largest of boats, I usually wind up cobbling together some form of the fixed tether setup I've described...
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Some people were a little dismissive about my pole - until we deployed it.
Yeah, I get that a lot too.

The worst is when you panic in the middle of the action and mix up the horse-shoe and the bbq grill. Let's just say the mother-in-law was NOT happy.
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Re: Lifesling or Horseshoe for MOB

The lifesling is designed to remain fastened to the boat as you circle the MOB to pick him/her up. The throwable is separate from the boat, stays in the water hopefully near the person while you circle back. In the process you're likely to get farther away from the MOB than the 100 feet or so of lifesling line, before you return. Two different items for two diferent purposes. If someone's in the water, immediately litter the area with throwable and and floating cushions your boat has, to increase your chances of seeing them when you've circled back.

Many people practice retrieving a thrown hat, piece of bread, or cushion. Next time you're anchored in a calm, warm cove, have one member of your party jump in and pretend to be limp weight as you winch them up with your lifesling.
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Yeah, I get that a lot too.

The worst is when you panic in the middle of the action and mix up the horse-shoe and the bbq grill. Let's just say the mother-in-law was NOT happy.
Thats gotta to be a concern of Crusindad too. Man if he threw his grill at a MOB he just have breakdown. Then he really have to learn how to cook..on a stovetop...in a saute pan...
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Many people practice retrieving a thrown hat, piece of bread, or cushion. Next time you're anchored in a calm, warm cove, have one member of your party jump in and pretend to be limp weight as you winch them up with your lifesling.
Totally agree

When we do this every year is a huge reality check on the weight and difficulty bring someone on board is.

We usually do this up in Worton Creek when we go swimming.
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Re: Lifesling or Horseshoe for MOB

There has always been something that bothers me about the normal lifesling/horseshoe/ring MOB procedure. It seems unnecessarily complicated which is exactly what you want to avoid in an emergency. I've never understood why it's acceptable to expect the MOB to have to get out of a horseshoe or ring and get themselves into the lifesling horseshoe while panicked, possibly injured, in rough water and, in our area, suffering from hypothermia. I want something available (and USCG approved) to throw (throws well, even into wind) that will ultimately be what is used to winch them out of the water. Getting a line attached to it once the boat is close enough should only involve the MOB having to attach a snap on the end of a floating line. I also don't want to have to open a container of any kind to get to it. Manufacturers?

For getting back on the boat I have a long shackle permanently attached to the end fitting on the boom and a large snap shackle available to put on it to run the retrieval line through, then another snap shackle on a padeye on deck to feed to the sheet winch. Works on either side of the cockpit.
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Re: Lifesling or Horseshoe for MOB

A couple of years back we had a wicked Easter storm roll through a fairly major local race fleet.. long known as a possible 'gear buster', the race was actually called (first time in its history) Several vessels damaged, one swamped with people in the water. All were rescued through the utter heroics of a nearby crew, themselves in distress with huge seas and 50K winds. One of the MOBs had been in the water a while, was nearly comotose and unable to help himself and it took the entire crew over 20 minutes to get him aboard once they were alongside (a J30 - not exactly esp. high freeboard)

As far as I know this crew was never properly recognized for their selfless action..

MOB drills are a good idea and important, but that episode certainly brings home the difference between a benign condition practice and the 'real' thing. Magnitudes of difficulty apart. What John (jrd) is proposing is really important.. a simple, instinctive, quick to deploy method/apparatus/plan for such occasions.. is there really such a thing?
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IIRC, wasn't your son in that race Ron?
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Re: Lifesling or Horseshoe for MOB

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That is correct. A lifering with 15 meters of buoyant line attached is required on vessels over 9 meters.

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Would a Lifesling be classified as a 'lifebuoy'?
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