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Re: At Last! Definitive Self Defense for Sailors

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OK - I've gotta ask - there seems to have been a lot of these "what's the best weapon to carry for self-defense against pirates" threads lately....is that because there is an actual increase in piracy in the areas most people cruise?
Though the commercial shipping in the Indian Ocean may be a bit safer (or better defended?) "piracy" against yachts is definitely on the increase. In some areas of Central America there has been an increase in crimes against cruisers. Some of these have been in areas that one might pass through to get to another destination, not necessarily where one wants to cruise. Venezuela is plain dangerous to visit in any way, but for yachts it's really stupid. We've many friends who have had to give up going there in the hurricane season, even though for many years it was a favorite.
But even here in Bequia, an island that depends primarily on yacht tourism, there was a yacht owner shot this year aboard his boat and many more break-ins while folks were ashore for dinner.
Being boarded while underway is a situation that I want to have a defense for, and with the Dragon Breath perhaps if I got one shot in the attacker's boat at close range and on them (hopefully including the gas cans), we might sustain some damage, but we'd be alive and no longer under siege.
I do not know if this little 12 gauge shell would do the job, but it appears to be a viable option. It definitely will not work in any auto gun; not enough pressure to co*k the gun. One or two (double barrel) shots is all you'd get and if the attackers are not instantly incapacitated, well, I guess we can all imagine that outcome.
Things are changing and it's unfortunate, but true. This is our life, full time voyaging, and I'm damned well going to live it without worrying a great deal about what might happen. But, just as so many of you new to cruising have plans for this and that, and back up plans for those, I don't see the harm in searching for a fairly intelligent, effective and non-illegal form of self protection.

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Re: At Last! Definitive Self Defense for Sailors

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Interesting. I'd like to play around with one for a while. Not sure it'd be my first choice but I could be swayed.
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Yeah they are just incendiary rounds... they contain Phosphorus. The down side is that they burn from the end of the barrel to about 200-300 ft out. The pile of wood had to have fuel on it and the round is just used for ignition. On their own they will not start much on fire... Probably could set a fiberglass boat on fire though... and they are scary as hell when fired.
1+ all for show. its just a flare gun round.
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Exclamation Re: At Last! Definitive Self Defense for Sailors

FYI, it's not a Flare, it's payload is Magnesium and makes it an "Incendiary" round. Made from mixed small and larger pieces. The lg. pieces will do the major fire damage and the sm. pieces help light them up in the barrel which is why NO Semi-Auto guns (gas port for the action) should ever use them.

Magnesium doesn't go out easily and will burn under water. Fire depts. dread Magnesium fires because they can't use Water. But, it's much safer than any Phosphorous Shell or Flare to store.

From Wiki; Magnesium is capable of reducing water to highly flammable hydrogen gas and as a result, water cannot be used to extinguish magnesium fires; the hydrogen gas produced will only intensify the fire.

Magnesium also reacts with carbon dioxide to form magnesium oxide and carbon:
hence, carbon dioxide fire extinguishers cannot be used for extinguishing magnesium fires either.

Sand or a Dry Chem. extinguisher are the only things that will put it out (if it's much larger pieces of Mag.)

If you were to shoot them at a Boat attacking you and even a few of the pieces burn through into the Bilge, that Boat is basically gone!!

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Interesting. I'd like to play around with one for a while. Not sure it'd be my first choice but I could be swayed.
SayGudday, you're won't find them in California, and it you find them elsewhere, don't bring them here. They fall into a prohibited class of weapons AND/OR ammo, under the Dangerwous Weapons Control Act, and are a FELONY to posess in this state (and likely many others - check local laws before purchasing).

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Re: At Last! Definitive Self Defense for Sailors

1 1/2 inch distress rocket flares would be more effective, and people are looking to give away outdated ones.
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Re: At Last! Definitive Self Defense for Sailors

I was always partial to short fused sticks of dynamite.
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Re: At Last! Definitive Self Defense for Sailors

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Looks like a good way to set your boat on fire.
That could effectively stop a pirate attack I think.
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Re: At Last! Definitive Self Defense for Sailors

Well, if one is going to try dealing with it that way...perhaps better to learn to chug Everclear and then BREATH FIRE at them.

Do a proper Samoan fire dance (apologies to the Samoans among us, I know that's the wrong name for it) and then exhale a stream of the good stuff. I think even dedicated pirates would stop to applaude and perhaps throw coins before thanking you for the show.
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