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Re: Feeling Foolish and Discouraged!

Bummer... the good news is that there is another sailboat that is just right for you... This could be your first sailing lesson... patience.
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Re: Feeling Foolish and Discouraged!

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Hm. After looking at the specs and photos of this vessel, I'll opine that it's God's way of saving you from sailing an ugly boat that goes to windward like a haystack.

There are better performing boats, with the same amount of room below, that are still affordable for you. I'm certain that you'll find one.

Yeah, like maybe one of these?

RANGER 26 (MULL) sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com

You'll enjoy being to sail nicely upwind.
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Re: Feeling Foolish and Discouraged!

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It's not ethical or polite, but unless you have a written contract that says otherwise, it is their right.

kalina... did you have a written contract? This may be something you want included in the next one. Although, forcing someone to sell property that they don't want to sell is probably going to go badly one way or the other.
No, there was no contract signed, but the draft was agreed to in principle. He had the right to refuse or change his mind as I did. Even during the 3 week vacation period I waited, that's where the foolish comes in. I suppose and believe most folks would of honoured even verbal agreements differently.
Lessons learned, and will do it differently the next time.
You are right...forcing the issue solves nothing really!

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Next time, if the seller wants a three week pause, tell them the deal is off until they return and you may find another boat before they get back. And mean it.
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Re: Feeling Foolish and Discouraged!

Get a nice C&C 27 or a CS27, might as well buy something that sails well
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Re: Feeling Foolish and Discouraged!

When we purchased our first boat, we managed it like used car salesmen. We don't like conflict, so in order to get the best deal, I would make all the tough negotiating decisions behind closed doors, and my wife would deliver the decisions to the broker. That way she could blame me for being the bad guy and I didn't have to stare anyone down.
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Re: Feeling Foolish and Discouraged!

One infallible dictum is that when things start off bad, they never get better.
You're lucky you got out of that one.
Why?
Because a Halman Horizon is a dog and you'll have a difficult time unloading it when the time comes.
Stick to the preceding recommendations.
Cal, S2, Ranger, etc. especially the Rangers imho.
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Re: Feeling Foolish and Discouraged!

I have done that before, I mean try and sell only to back out at the end. This past summer I was trapped financially and I put KIVALO (my boat) up for sale. A nice couple came to look and made an offer but I refused at the last minute because I was able to finagle a way to keep the boat. I felt very badly but I really did not want to sell it to begin with, it was a sale of necessity.

As frustrating as it may be, were I you I wouldn't sweat it too much nor take it personally. Good luck in your search.

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Re: Feeling Foolish and Discouraged!

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No, there was no contract signed, but the draft was agreed to in principle
Welcome to the world of sales. The contract/draft was as good as the paper it was written and signed on. Until it is binding either party can change their mind. Unfortunately, a world where a person's word is their bond has largely disappeared.

Listen to those advocating the buyer market, you will find the right boat and the right deal.
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Re: Feeling Foolish and Discouraged!

Yes, the world of sales has it's challenges....but there remain many who respect each other. There will always be reasons why deals don't go thru...this is just one!

I've always tried to conduct myself during my work years and private life treating others the way I like to be treated. In most cases it has worked well.

My thoughts and search are going to focus on the Catalina 27, there are a few in the Niagara area...1980-1984...well equipped and priced Ok. I'm going to email today and start the process.

What has been your experience with using Brokers? Knowledgeable individuals must be a bonus.

Thanks again for your comments/advice.

Ron
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