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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

Making it to the top of Everest with a professional Sherpa team, is like circumnavigating with a professional Captain that was born in the ocean and previously circumnavigated a dozen times.

However, if you asked me which of the two you were more likely to succeed at without any support, it's probably the circumnavigation.

If you haven't read Ed Viesturs' book "No Shortcuts to the Top", I highly recommend it. Ed, if you're unfamiliar, is one of, if not the most accomplished American Mountaineer. He's been on top of Everest a half dozen times, but turned back on his first attempt when he was several hundred feet from the summit. His book is about personal risk management and completely applies to sailing.
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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

I can't speak for others. I found riding a motorcycle across the country is more dangerous than sailing around the world. Apparently, my wife feels the same. She would rather see me sailing solo around the world than having me ride the bike from Ocean City MD to Fisherman Wharf in SFO via Highway 50, even though it is far cheaper and taking less time.

Sailing is far safer than years before if you pay attention.
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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

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Making it to the top of Everest with a professional Sherpa team, is like circumnavigating with a professional Captain that was born in the ocean and previously circumnavigated a dozen times.

However, if you asked me which of the two you were more likely to succeed at without any support, it's probably the circumnavigation.

If you haven't read Ed Viesturs' book "No Shortcuts to the Top", I highly recommend it. Ed, if you're unfamiliar, is one of, if not the most accomplished American Mountaineer. He's been on top of Everest a half dozen times, but turned back on his first attempt when he was several hundred feet from the summit. His book is about personal risk management and completely applies to sailing.
Even in what regards the Everest there are several scales. If it is to go to the top without Sherpas and without oxygen very few had done it. The last time our best mountaineer was there, without oxygen, they got trapped by a storm, he lost is friend, lost is nose and half of his fingers and he is among the best have climbed all the difficult mountains.

I don't think it is comparable.

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Even in what regards the Everest there are several scales. If it is to go to the top without Sherpas and without oxygen very few had done it. The last time our best mountaineer was there, without oxygen, they got trapped by a storm, he lost is friend, lost is nose and half of his fingers and he is among the best have climbed all the difficult mountains.

I don't think it is comparable.

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I think we were saying the same thing??

Btw, Ed Viesturs has summited all 14 Himalayan peaks over 8000 meters without oxygen and survived the 1996 epic disaster on Everest.
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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

Both adventures (circumnavigating & Mt. Everest) require and reward self-sufficiency. Cruising many miles from land on a sailboat, you have nothing except the wind, the waves and that which you brought oboard. So it is with mountaineering in the wilderness. All you have is the weather, the rocks and that which you have in your pack.

Good offshore, bluewater sailors know that they must be competent in many skills. On a long passage you need to be your own mechanic, navigator, doctor, chef and any number of other professions. Again, when you're on a long wilderness trek or summit attempt you have no one to rely on except yourself. Even experienced Sherpas and a well-stocked base camp can't save you from yourself.

While I personally haven't attempted either feat, I've often thought about the parallels. There's something special to me about self-sufficiency. I like the idea of being able to survive off the land (food, water, shelter) and go as far as my own feet will take me. I also cherish the dreams I have about the wind carrying me to far away places and my sailboat serving as home. Self-sufficiency is simple and complex at the same time. The contrast between the two is what I find so fulfilling.

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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

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I think we were saying the same thing??

Btw, Ed Viesturs has summited all 14 Himalayan peaks over 8000 meters without oxygen and survived the 1996 epic disaster on Everest.
Yes, the fact that I had quoted you means not necessarily that I disagree but that what I am saying is related with what you have posted

I never had any wish to climb mountains but raced motorcycles that some consider without much ground a dangerous activity, at least no living threatening but I would very much prefer to make a dangerous "sport" (if I like it) one that I can control and manage risks then to risk sailing in water infested with pirates where everything has to do with luck and I cannot control anything.

I never trusted luck

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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

I think I could easily get ten years or more cruising out of $30K.
Given that the safest place on the planet to be is in mid ocean in a good sailboat, not going sailing is far more dangerous, especially if you drive a lot.

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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

While there are some comparisons between climbing and circumnavigating (self sufficiency, gear, sense of accomplishment, etc) I think they are completely different in many regards. With climbing you have a set destination (summit and back) and train extensively to be able to physically accomplish the climb. Your one and only objective is to summit and get back down safely. To summit Everest might be comparable to some of the serious round the world races, but not the average leisurely sight seeing circumnavigation. That in no way diminishes the accomplishment of a circumnavigation, I just think they are vastly different endeavors.
On a side note, I've been to Everest base camp (app. 18,500 ft) and it's a relatively easy (9000' elevation gain, most people suffer some form of altitude sickness, many have to turn around) walk in the park (Sagarmartha Park), but I can honestly say that having been to base, I cannot begin to imagine what it would physically take to go the next 10,000 feet up and back. I'm in awe of anyone that has done it, or even attempted it.
Here is an absolutely amazing site that allows you to explore Everest base camp and the surrounding area.
A 3.8 Billion-Pixel Tour Of Mount Everest : NPR
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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

Wow.. that's quite the tent city there. The site's 'hot spots' aren't working for me, but the image is crystal clear.. amazing.

Good thing fewer people are cruising.. there'd be no room in the anchorages!
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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

Some of the pix I've seen of Everest look more like a dumpsite than a tentsite. There's a parallel between the sailing and mountaineering!
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