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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

Something in the order of three quarters of all climbers that have ever been on Everest have done so in the last decade. It has become a real tourist destination.
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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

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Some of the pix I've seen of Everest look more like a dumpsite than a tentsite. There's a parallel between the sailing and mountaineering!
Actually, I disagree.
Of all the groups in the world I have seen theres none better for packing out trash, and keeping the environment clean than cruising sailors.

Yes, one or two will make a mess, but there's hundreds who leave an area cleaner than when they arrived.

We do a great job, much better than Everests Base Camp or the mountain itself. Cruisers should congratulate themselves and reinforce the good stuff on new cruisers and the few errant ones.
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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

I agree with you that sailors (in sail boats) tend to clean up after themselves... if it's convenient but I suspect stuff goes overboard when it's not. I was just referring to the general amount of land-originated debris like floating plastic bags left by humans that makes its way to equally remote places like the Pacific gyre.
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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

I agree with Mark, base camp was deserted when I was there and my son and I looked for an hour or so trying to find a "souvenir" of some kind from a climbing party. Nothing, not one scrap of paper, rusty can, oxygen bottle. That was 12 years ago and I'm sure it's the same now. Much the same in the popular anchorages here in the PNW, it's rare to see any trash either on shore or floating. We pick up any floating plastic that we see, usually a water bottle (hate them) or two and maybe a grocery sack or something over the course of a month during summer. I think both groups do an excellent job.
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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

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Wow.. that's quite the tent city there. The site's 'hot spots' aren't working for me, but the image is crystal clear.. amazing.

Good thing fewer people are cruising.. there'd be no room in the anchorages!
The hotspots gave me trouble too Ron. I found that if I put the cursor on the "line" rather than in the square the little hand symbol would show up if I was careful and then I could click on it.
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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

As the article smurphny posted confirms, 80% of all climbers ever on Everest were there in the last decade or so.
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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

I wonder what percentage of circumnavigations have occurred in the last decade for the sake of comparison?
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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

I don't think that the reason less people circumnavigated than climbed the Everest as nothing to do with difficulty. It had to do mostly with available time and costs.

For climbing the Everest one can do it on holidays. For circumnavigating one had to stop working for almost a year, or more than a year if it is done with time.

Very few people have the time or the money to do it. And then we would have also to look at the number of people that would be interested in circumnavigate versus the number of people that would be interested to climb the Everest.

Today it is quite fashionable to climb the Everest



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"Nepalese organisations are picking their customers from the internet without any concern as to whether they are capable of the journey. I am anti regulation, but I think the Nepalese government has little choice but to ask tougher questions of would-be climbers in future."


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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

PCP- the elevation alone tends to weed out those unprepared and un-conditioned to make the attempt, although I know it is becoming more and more common for some who think they just have to pay the money and they'll be carried to the top. There is a luxury hotel just above Namche (11,000'?) where most of the guests are flown in from Kathmandu (most fly to Lukla at 9,000' and then walk, slowly). Many are flown back down with severe altitude sickness. We saw a couple of people each day on the trails being helped down because they were so ill. Generally it is the younger people that don't take the recommended time to ascend that have problems, they are impatient to get "up there". You never feel "good" above 15k, after a week of it we high tailed it back down.
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