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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

I returned to my boat after my 3rd trip of trekking /climbing in Nepal in November. Nice to back on the water after 38 days in the mountains. Good break from the boat and a physical challenge as well. I've thought about climbing Everest, It's doable, but it's allure to me has been dampened by the crass commercialism of the Nepali climbing organizations and the huge number of folks on the mountain itself. Lots of people being hauled up the mountain by the sherpa's. Can't imagine being with a group of unknown climbers on the same rope. I think a climb of Ama Dablan would be good enough. For now I'll just enjoy a few more quiet anchorages and a cold Singha.


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I would not be surprised if the number of boats doing a circumnav has declined in the last ten years : 1. The sick economy 2. Threat of Terrorism 3. Increased Bureaucracy (owing much to #1). Some day I will decide to set off and do this but since the 2008 meltdown, cost is an issue as well as the uncertainty of the economy. Missing the Med because of the Red Sea problem is a factor and I can't help but think that clearing in everywhere must be more difficult.
As to your points, i am sure 2008 had an impact since a lot of financial plans went out the window. in our case we went sailing earlier since my wife was laid as a result of the crash (she worked for a major financial company in the NYC area.) don't hein terrorism has dad any impact except for closing off the Red Sea route. Bureacracy? Not sure what you are referring to.

My estimate of the number of boats circumnavigating is based solely on what we have seen at the choke point of South Africa. I think there might have been 40 more when the Red Sea route was open. I would imagine that the numbers will go up again when that is open again - my guess 2014 to 2015. At tha time I think that the numbers going the southern route will be lower, but higher than before, because people are slowly getting the message that this route is entirely doable. If you or your boat can't hack this route you probably should not be crossing oceans in the first place.

A disquieting possibility - I am not at all convinced about the long term stability of South Africa. It has the largest income disparity in the world. The white and other well-off people are leaving still and taking their money. Unemployment is extremely, especially among the young. Political system does not work well and corruption is high. A youth leader in the ANC, the governing party, has called for occupations of white-owned farms -- this is exactly what caused the collapse go neighbouring Zimbabwe. It is not impossible to imagine South Afica becoming a place that you could not go and sailing around it from Mozambique or Madagascar in one go is a huge, risky undertaking, not for typical rtw boats and crews. No Red Sea and no South Afrca leaves the Northeast Passage.
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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

Interesting viewpoint on the possible future in South Africa. Thanks for that opinion from the ground. I do hope it doesn't come to that.

In 2008 we were doing the Pacific and just about everyone we met coming accross was doing it on money from share portfolios.
We were actually at sea when the crisis occurred.
Of all those boats in the Pacific we never heard from most again. I don't know what happened to them, granted we were moving a bit faster than many, but I guess a lot returned home via Hawaii, or must have put their boats up, or for sale in the Pacific or New Zealand.

These days no one mentions they are making money from shares... It's all pensions and retirement funds, (401?? Some American superannuation?). So there's lots of people out who have the sort of background that gives those sorts of stipends.
In the future it will be shares again, no doubt.

Australians cruising long term often have a house rented out.

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A disquieting possibility - I am not at all convinced about the long term stability of South Africa. It has the largest income disparity in the world. The white and other well-off people are leaving still and taking their money. Unemployment is extremely, especially among the young. Political system does not work well and corruption is high. A youth leader in the ANC, the governing party, has called for occupations of white-owned farms -- this is exactly what caused the collapse go neighbouring Zimbabwe. It is not impossible to imagine South Afica becoming a place that you could not go and sailing around it from Mozambique or Madagascar in one go is a huge, risky undertaking, not for typical rtw boats and crews. No Red Sea and no South Afrca leaves the Northeast Passage.
I was in South Africa last year (including in Durban) and share your concern. I hope the country will pull through but it is by no means a given.
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