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Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

My son saw a tv show in Canada that included the assertion that more people climb Mt Everest each year than complete a circumnav. At first I was shocked but after doing a bit of research it makes sense. Apparently 300 to 400 people do the climb. If we assume two people per boat (let's assume the singlehanders cancel the extra crew on some boats), that would be 150 to 200 boats. With the Red Sea route closed, all circumnavigators have to round South Africa, overwhelmingly during the summer season here. I asked a few other cruisers how many boats they think are here now and the consensus was perhaps 80 including the 20 or so World ARC boats. By this reasoning, clearly there are fewer sailors than climbers. Fascinating and surprising.
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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

While Everest is still the holy grail of climbing, its has become a hand holding guided tour for most of its climbers. Himex sherpas actually set lines to the summit, before the clients even attempt it. Albeit, the altitude and conditions can and do kill climbers every single year.
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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

One can also climb Everest in about a months worth of time, vs around the world will take 12-15 months! Cost is probably the same in a very generally speaking term.......easier to set myself up to climb everest than sail around the world.

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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

I've been to Everest Base Camp, actually the mountain above it directly accross from Mt Everest... It's called Kala Pattar and where the classic photos of My Everest are taken. It's a 3 week trek up and about 5 days down... Boy oh boy after the first half hour going down you can stride it out like a super hereo.

The adventure tourism climbs of Mt Everest have become extremely prevalent now because they can be done in a short time for a cost that makes the climbing companies millions but is still cheap compared to cruising. I think it's about $30,000 for the whole adventure per person, so about one years cruising on the average boat, two years on a budget boat, so in any way it's cheaper than circumnavigating in time and money and you don't have to buy the damn boat!

The climbing companies have found a "formulae" to do it, as perhaps World ARC has done too.

Remember also, Mt Everest up the normal way is NOT a climb. It's regarded as a trek by mountaineers. The difficult faces of Everest are not the ones the "tourists" do. And really they are not tourists as they may have been super fit out doorsy mountain climber types their whole lives. It's not like Aunty Gwendolyn and Uncle Cecil are staking their flag on the summit of Everest.

As an adventure the Base Camp track I did was hard enough for mere mortals.... The group of 10 were all 35 or younger and only 4 of us made it to the top of Kala Pattar. Fortunately I have the photo to prove it
Compared with cruising its very similar in some ways... No matter how many tourists on the mountain, or at sea, its still Man and Nature. Not against nature... You can't do that here nor there...

Killarney Sailor, it means when you have finished your circumnavigation you will both have a nice little warm glow inside. There's not many people who have done it. It is a challange of the most adventurous undertaking.... It just doesn't feel like it because we love cruising.





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its still Man and Nature. Not against nature... You can't do that here nor there...
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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

I'm hoping to visit Mt Everest on my circumnavigation and kill two birds with one stone
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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

Both require lot of money. But the folks can afford doing it can't afford the time to sail. Beside most people think sailing in the middle ocean (desert) is quite boring. That is why there are not too many young men and women in long voyage.

I offered a proposal to my son to sail with me around the world after he graduates from college. I told him that once you started working, it is hard to take time off. He would not take it. In the last 12 months, I asked if he wants to sail to Bermuda or BVI with me, he said: No, it is too boring. He rather sails a dingy than in a cruiser. He would climb Mt Everest in a heart beat.

There is no comparison between these two. but I don't mean one if better than other. They just offer different things.
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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

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.... And really they are not tourists as they may have been super fit out doorsy mountain climber types their whole lives. It's not like Aunty Gwendolyn and Uncle Cecil are staking their flag on the summit of Everest.
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Killarney Sailor, it means when you have finished your circumnavigation you will both have a nice little warm glow inside. There's not many people who have done it. It is a challange of the most adventurous undertaking.... It just doesn't feel like it because we love cruising.
I agree. Even doing it on by the easier face doing the Everest is a kind of a sportive event and you have to be in great shape to do it.

In what regards circumnavigation we can only compared with it as a sportive event if it is made solo non stop and even so a 70 year old grand mother can attempt that and probably manage it.

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That is certainly an adventure but I guess more on account of pirates and sailing in not very friendly countries than anything else. The risk is much more on that side than on the sailing side.

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Both require lot of money. But the folks can afford doing it can't afford the time to sail. Beside most people think sailing in the middle ocean (desert) is quite boring. That is why there are not too many young men and women in long voyage.

I offered a proposal to my son to sail with me around the world after he graduates from college. I told him that once you started working, it is hard to take time off. He would not take it. In the last 12 months, I asked if he wants to sail to Bermuda or BVI with me, he said: No, it is too boring. He rather sails a dingy than in a cruiser. He would climb Mt Everest in a heart beat.

There is no comparison between these two. but I don't mean one if better than other. They just offer different things.
One of my sons who was a dinghy sailing instructor and thought that keelboats were pretty boring decided to crew back from Bermuda with me a few years ago. He was sea-sick for four days. Has said less about keelboats since.
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Re: Circumnavigators vs Mt Everest climbers

Well... You are a lucky Dad, at least your son went sailing off shore with you. The longest distance my son went with me was a round trip sail from Annapolis to Cape May.

My son always says: Daddy, I have "friends".

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