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Re: Paradigm changing boats

Great boats.Can anyone think of the boats that changed the thinking engineering wise. ?first synthetic cored hull, first rigid sail, , etc.?

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Re: Paradigm changing boats

This is just like debating who first sang Rock and Roll.


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Outbound this thread is a great idea but I guess it can be even better. I have a suggestion:

You, with the collaboration of the members trough discussion will have on the first post the actualized names of the boats that are selected. On the boat file you will refer the post nº that had gave origin to it and the poster that originally proposed the boat that was selected has to have on its post information and photos or movies about the boat. Preferably a photo showing the complete hull with the underwater body.

Of course this will represent a lot of work for you but it will make this a reference instructive and very interesting thread, one that should be sticky.

What do you think guys?

I will post one on this terms.

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Many don't know that Jeanneau was for more than a decade strictly a motor boat company. Back in 1968 the founder, Henri Jeanneau, that had raced motorboats, wanted to build also sailingboats. He went to one of the greater NA of his time Van den Stadt that had designed the Storm. The boat was heavy and not fast and Jeanneau was not satisfied.

His commercial director advised him to make a design command to a new and very talented young NA from La Rochelle, Philippe Harlé....and the Sangria was born.

The Sagria (7.60) is an incredibly innovative design considering 1969. The boat with slight alterations stayed in production till 1984 and about 3000 boats were made. If this is not the cruiser that was made in bigger numbers it is certainly among the few that were made in so large number.

It was an offshore boat that even if not a cruiser racer could do very well in offshore races. Take a look at how modern that hull was:





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A word about Philippe Harlé. It was one of the first NA do develop an interest for solo racing. He made one of the first mini transat races (when all those guys were considered raving mad) and with the knowledge that he had and the one we learned on the race designed another boat that would become an icon to solo and sportive ocean sailors, the Coco, built by Archambault:

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The Coco was the first boat of its type to be produced and made in large numbers. It was also the predecessor of the Pogo in what regards philosophy and overall shape.

Philipe Harlé had an unfortunately not long life (1931-1991) but a very productive one and 14000 boats were made according to his plans. He was also the mentor of probably the biggest Architect of the next generation, Jean Marie Finot, that not by accident, was the one that designed the Pogo.

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I guess the game has always been changing. Prior to those, a big design change was Sparkmen and Stevens FINESTERRE. Compared to the fastest ocean racers in the day, it was fat(outrageous beam of 11'+), it's design priority was to be a comfortable cruising boat first, racer second(cruiser/racer). Even worse, it had a centerboard in a stub keel(the owner had shallow water sailing in mind). Some of these features helped it's handicap in the CCA era.

The captain(Mitchell) outsailed the fleet but much was blamed on the new design as it won the Marion Bermuda race, not once, but three seasons in a row.

Then Mitchell went off and cruised it for years. This is one of those designs that looks like it's moving even on jack stands. This is a sistership, FIDELIO, and still competes(via handicap) in classic races today. This is the design that started the run of boats like the Block Island 40, Bermuda 40, Bristol 40, and many others(including my boat, Alden challenger).
Let's not forget Dorade as well - Stephens first design - changed yachts from basically fishing schooners into "modern" yachts. Also gave us the Dorade vent.

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This is just like debating who first sang Rock and Roll.
Not open to debate - Bill Haley & the Comets with Rock Around the Clock.

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Great boats.Can anyone think of the boats that changed the thinking engineering wise. ?first synthetic cored hull, first rigid sail, , etc.?
A Vancouver built boat - Porpoise, a one off Discovery 47, was reputed to be the first Airex cored hull in the late 60's. Pic attached of it sailing locally.

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Re: Paradigm changing boats

Fiery Cross - the first canting keel boat

Olson 30 - the first ocean going mini-sled

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Re: Paradigm changing boats

great idea PCP. Unfortunatey still have to work for a living Putting it away for the cruising kitty. Please take this thread where you think it should go. Very impressed that folks jumped on the engineering concept. On call - so sorry didn't respond sooner.

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Re: Paradigm changing boats

Herreshoff's early multihull Amaryllis (1876) should have moved heaven and earth -- and would have, had the reactionary fools of the yawt-ting set not reacted so violently to it.




Modern, much?!?! After the design's suppression, it really wasn't until Tabarly's Pen Duick IV that ocean-racing multis stormed back to the fore.



Guess what Tabarly was working on in 1976?



Could be the next paradigm shift.

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