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Re: US Navy ship strikes reef because of incorrect charts

I recently saw an episode of "Monk" (a rerun) where a navy submarine ran aground and the commander blamed the grounding on old and erroneous charts, which he had surreptitiously swapped twith he actual charts he was using to cover his ass. And then.....well never mind, but another example of life imitating art (or situation comedy).
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Re: US Navy ship strikes reef because of incorrect charts

Be wary of a rush to judgment. It is obvious to me we do not yet have the whole story, and probably never will. The Captain's response to take warnings and protests up with the embassy makes me wonder if they were conducting operations in the area rather than simply transiting.

I am not surprised that the USN would prevent the local rangers from boarding the stricken ship. Even the lowly minesweep has classified equipment and material.

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Re: US Navy ship strikes reef because of incorrect charts

There is no doubt that the Cap should not have allowed anyone on board. That's not surprising at all. Whatever the reason she got in that predicament, I just wonder why they didn't haul her off asap when she was bow-to. She must have been badly holed from the start and in danger of sinking if pulled free.
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Re: US Navy ship strikes reef because of incorrect charts

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Just a WAG here, but it may have gone like this... (totally fictional)
Why such a post? You and none of the rest of us know what took place. Instead of some idiot watch officer, maybe it was some idiot enlisted helmsman who misunderstood the order, or maybe some idiot enlisted man who decided to check out and do maintenance on the emergency steering down below. Or more likely, there were no idiots, officer or enlisted. Just people, officer and enlisted, trying to do their jobs. Clearly something went wrong, and that will come out in the investigation.
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Re: US Navy ship strikes reef because of incorrect charts

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Why such a post? You and none of the rest of us know what took place. Instead of some idiot watch officer, maybe it was some idiot enlisted helmsman who misunderstood the order, or maybe some idiot enlisted man who decided to check out and do maintenance on the emergency steering down below. Or more likely, there were no idiots, officer or enlisted. Just people, officer and enlisted, trying to do their jobs. Clearly something went wrong, and that will come out in the investigation.
sadly, but I can see the original tongue in cheek post happening. As a Navy Brat who comes from a LONG line of Navy men (I am 4F, or I probably would have gone into the USCG) I have seen and heard of some pretty stupid stuff happening aboard ships.. especially with freshly minted "ring tappers"

But then, My father's last ship was the USS Holland, a Sub Tender that was stationed in Spain (where I was born) and while most tenders stay chained to a pier 24/7.. this captain liked to go out every third week. Considering the amount of nuclear materials and classified paperwork aboard a tender.. and you really have to consider how much it cost the navy and taxpayers to take her out once a month.. as she never ran anywhere without a fast attack escort and other support ships
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Re: US Navy ship strikes reef because of incorrect charts

I know nothing about navy ships or their protocol, which gives the give the responses more value.
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Re: US Navy ship strikes reef because of incorrect charts

it does make sense they would not want anybody aboard. Not only would the USS Guardian be full of the latest technology, but I am sure in the aftermath of such a grounding, things are chaotic at best and unsafe at worst.

That said.. the Captain was wrong and arrogant to dismiss the warnings of the reef with a "take it up with the embassy"
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Re: US Navy ship strikes reef because of incorrect charts

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Just a WAG here, but it may have gone like this... (totally fictional)

USS Minesponge, South Pacific Exiting Subic Bay, P.I. 0300

Ship's heading: 090

OOW: "Helmsman, come right to 080 degrees"

Helmsman: (Realizing the OOW would not want to turn a full circle while transiting a reef and meant to say come LEFT) "Orders to the helm, sir...."

OOW: (One year out of USNA, already picturing the star on his collar) "I SAID, come right to 080 degrees"

Helmsman: (Cutting a glance to BMOW) "Orders to the helm, sir!"

OOW: (now extremely irritated that he is being questioned by an enlisted man) "COME RIGHT, SAILOR, TO 080! THAT IS AN ORDER!"

Helmsman: "080 degrees, aye. Coming RIGHT to 080 degrees, SIR"


OOW: "YOU'RE COMING ABOUT! YOU'RE COMING ABO..."

Helmsman: "Aye sir. Coming about as ordered to RIGHT to 080 DEGREES, SIR!"


(ship's alarm) Doo-Doo-Doot! Doo-Doo-Doot! ALL HANDS, BRACE FOR COLLISION. ALL HANDS, BRACE FOR COLLISION.

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Re: US Navy ship strikes reef because of incorrect charts

We may want to wait to find out what really happened. Even here in this thread we're seeing made up exchanges of "orders on the bridge". Who's to know if eager Phillippine newspaper reporters aren't doing the same at their end in order to inflame passions and sell more papers? It works for Rupert Murdock, why not others?
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Re: US Navy ship strikes reef because of incorrect charts

very true, Paul. the inquiry will put everything straight.. and then they will "hang" the captain because he was in charge and even if everything was done by the book, he will still be at fault.
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