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Come on guys you can do better than that. Sea Turtles!!!
Where is your imagination. I'm dying to tell you but right now there are 70 people logged in probably over a thousand hours of seamanship experience so I'm expecting more creative solutions.

Visualize this:
Your in the bilge of your boat. The boat is snapping around in serious seas.
You know you have about 10 minutes before you are on the rocks.
You see your impeller is shot, broken vanes.
You are furious with yourself and the store because they sold you 6 impellers that don't fit and you didn't check before you left.
It is unbelievably frustrating. The engine is in perfect condition it just needs water to keep cool enough.

Now captain what do you do????

To be fair I doubt I would have thought of his solution. But he did in the the most extreme conditions.
Try sailing, perhaps? (grin)

Now, I've never sailed a Downeaster 38, though I did run a 45 south many years ago... While she certainly was not a stellar performer under sail, I do believe she would have been capable of clawing off a lee shore in most any conditions that that an engine would have been able to do so...
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Re: Newbe with no experience buys big boat

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Come on guys you can do better than that. Sea Turtles!!!
Where is your imagination. I'm dying to tell you but right now there are 70 people logged in probably over a thousand hours of seamanship experience so I'm expecting more creative solutions.

Visualize this:
Your in the bilge of your boat. The boat is snapping around in serious seas.
You know you have about 10 minutes before you are on the rocks.
You see your impeller is shot, broken vanes.
You are furious with yourself and the store because they sold you 6 impellers that don't fit and you didn't check before you left.
It is unbelievably frustrating. The engine is in perfect condition it just needs water to keep cool enough.

Now captain what do you do????

To be fair I doubt I would have thought of his solution. But he did in the the most extreme conditions.
This doesn't involve the use of bodily fluids, does it?
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Looks like SERENITY was a Downeaster 38...
Cool. Thanks Jon.


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Hi Glenn,
Thanks for checking in with us. Stick around the forum if you can, this is a good group and I'm certain that many of us will be reading your book and would enjoy having you to kick around, I mean talk sailing strategy with.
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Siphon water to flow over a fan blowing over the engine. No fan just put the siphon over the head and/or the exhaust. Best to try that when the engine is not too hot esp if the head is aluminum but whatever it takes to stay off the rocks. Just a SWAG.
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"It is unbelievably frustrating. The engine is in perfect condition it just needs water to keep cool enough.

Now captain what do you do????

To be fair I doubt I would have thought of his solution. But he did in the the most extreme conditions.
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Me, I'd hook up the bilge pump to the raw water intake of the engine and open a seacock that would supply water to the bilge pump. Crack the **** (seacock, sorry censor software, didn't mean to offend) open enough to keep up with the engine requirements but not enough to flood the boat.
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That is exactly what Glenn did!!
What a great idea especially since it worked for, I'm going on memory, a few weeks.
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Now to grill Glenn.
Are you sure your leaks were hull-deck joint?
I read your book very fast so forgive me if I missed some stuff but did you remove everything from the deck and rebed.
Even some handrails or blocks mounted to the deck can let in a lot of water.

Also 5200 is considered the wrong stuff to use for bedding above the waterline.
You want something that stays soft and is not such a powerful adhesive.
The idea is that that a super adhesive like 5200 will not allow any movement and will actually cause things to crack someplace else and allow water in.
Someone will reference the appropriate thread for your next boat.
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Just out of curiosity - what was the boat, Glenn?
Smackdaddy: Serenity was a Downeaster 38, cutter rig, made in Santa Ana CA in 1977. I bought her as an extremely dilapidated vessel - if I had known HOW dilapidated, I would have tried for a lower price!
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Smackdaddy: Serenity was a Downeaster 38, cutter rig, made in Santa Ana CA in 1977. I bought her as an extremely dilapidated vessel - if I had known HOW dilapidated, I would have tried for a lower price!
Heh-heh. Isn't that ALWAYS the case!

And don't worry about the grilling you'll get here by the esteemed SN members. There's no way for you to win. Everybody knows everything on a forum - we are always hypothetically perfect in our sage advice while at the dock.

It's just the stuff that happens out there that causes us concern.


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Try sailing, perhaps? (grin)

Now, I've never sailed a Downeaster 38, though I did run a 45 south many years ago... While she certainly was not a stellar performer under sail, I do believe she would have been capable of clawing off a lee shore in most any conditions that that an engine would have been able to do so...
Jon: The issue that day was big swells knocking me backwards. The Serenity was full-keel of course but I could not sail close to the wind at all because both the wind and the swells were perpendicular to the coast. If you've tried to close-haul a Downeaster at sea directly against large, steep swells, you know what I'm talking about: the swells rob the boat of forward momentum and actually push you backwards across the bottom. I don't know exactly how far off I was, but I estimate my bow was fully 70-degrees off the wind and I could not make any progress away from the coast. If I came up, I lost rudder control. If I fell off, the wind pushed me toward the coast faster. Maybe someone with a lot of sail trim know-how could have (alone!) configured that boat to claw off, but I couldn't see how to do it. I needed to get the engine back.
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