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…. For cruising purposes boat s have gotten progressively worse. Excessive bream has led to righting problems which were a non issue in the narrower ,older designs. Beam much further aft has led to less and less directional stability, in so called"Modern ' designs making it down right foolish to spend the exorbitant prices of newer designs, when older designs are available for far less than the cost of materials, and are far more suitable for cruising purposes.
You seem to think that the contemporary generation of Naval architects are globally incompetent and that the sailors that have the money that permits them chose the boats they want and choose to buy boats designed by those incompetent NAs don’t have a clue about cruising or sailing. I find amazing that you remain convinced that all are foolish and you know better.

Eventually you are right in what concerns your personal perspective of a cruising boat, a perspective that is very marginal otherwise you would be making thousands of boats. Note that contrary to what you are saying regarding the vast majority of cruisers, I am not saying that your perspective regarding cruising boats is foolish, but is obviously a very marginal one.

I guess that the ones that can choose will agree with Tom:

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... But any boat, racer, cruiser, usually the greyhound of it's time when new, is a performance anachronism in a decade, or three, no matter what they are. ..
Most sailors, if they could, would like to have the last and better design (among the many type of cruising boats the market offers). Some have the money to change boats each 4 years or so, most of us just have the best our money can afford, according with our financial possibilities.

To call fools to the ones that can have the cruising boat they want just because they have the possibility to do so does not make sense as it does not make sense to assume that contemporary NA are globally doing worse cruisers than 20 or 30 years ago.

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Agreed, that has to be one of the more harebrained ideas I've heard of in quite some time... (grin)

Here's the mold from which my hull was the very first one to pop out of... A couple of decades ago, after the Allied Boat Company went bust, some dreamer bought the molds... They're still sitting in some field up in the hills outside of Amsterdam, NY...



At least I know where I might find a spare deck, if the need should ever arise... Although, I would hope someone would have the good sense to convince me to just shoot myself, instead... (grin)

Trust me Jon, I would be the first to try to talk you out of it. But should you ever decide to scrap Chancy, at least save that beautiful keel. or as a wise old friend of mine would say about now (grin).

Serious, seeing those molds stored like that, with their shiny side exposed to the sun is really sad. They must be shot by now if not decades ago.

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wholeheartly agree with Paulo. would only modify the comment by saying for some of us aethetics and comfort modify the quest for a fast boat. In my view Paulo is right. On another thread he praises the Boreal and it was on my short list. (A metal boat like Brent's). It seems to be a great purpose built beast. some crave the latest from NE Boatworks or an exotic one off. Others want a Morris . But its simple physics the latest generation of boats be they conservative or radical do represent an advance. I wonder if Brent believes we think all should be all sailing open 60s- I assure him that's not true. but many of us think many boats currently being constructed are beautiful, strong, comfortable and safe homes as well as pasagemakers.
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Not sure if you've seen this:
Solo Around the America's Under Sail | An audacious attempt at sailing the Northwest Passage and circumnavigating entirety of both continents, to benefit Chesapeake Region Accessible Boating

Matt sailed around the Americas (northwest passage and cape horn) single handed and non stop in a Albin Vega 27.
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Yes I followed Matt on his adventures via the Internet. A very impressive accomplishment. I was aware of the reputation of the Vega - that's why I grabbed one when one by chance came up for sale locally even though it was older and needed more tlc then I was anticipating!
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Trust me Jon, I would be the first to try to talk you out of it. But should you ever decide to scrap Chancy, at least save that beautiful keel. or as a wise old friend of mine would say about now (grin).

Serious, seeing those molds stored like that, with their shiny side exposed to the sun is really sad. They must be shot by now if not decades ago.

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Yeah, that keel is definitely the most valuable scrap on my little tub - largely thanks to you, of course...(grin)

For sure, those upstate NY winters have taken their toll on those molds by now - they probably should have at least been stored upside-down, no?

Those pics were taken almost 15 years ago... Our old Cruising World forum buddy TalW was helping me with a delivery on the Erie Canal one spring, when a big flood shut the system down for a week. Dave Gibson came and fetched us, took us up to see the Allied bone yard, very spooky place... Then we met Chuck and Kate for dinner... Seems like only yesterday, time flies on these sailing forums, eh?

I may be passing thru your neighborhood to pick up a boat going south around the 15th, I'll give you a shout, it would be great to see you again...

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I may be passing thru your neighborhood around the 15th, I'll give you a shout, it would be great to see you again...
Barbara and would certainly enjoy seeing you if you get nearby. We actually watched the Super Bowl with Steve Gr. I realized that I started here and Cruising World around xmas 1995. Time does fly.
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Serious, seeing those molds stored like that, with their shiny side exposed to the sun is really sad. They must be shot by now if not decades ago.

Jeff
well.. that is how Egg Harbor Yachts stores their molds... granted, not for decades, but they are just wheeled outside and left until they need to build another sport fisherman
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well.. that is how Egg Harbor Yachts stores their molds... granted, not for decades, but they are just wheeled outside and left until they need to build another sport fisherman
Other manufacturers leave their molds outside too so they might last a while. Maybe depends on how they're made.
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Are you sure that is not junk?

A mold is a valuable thing with a limited life, at least if they want perfect hulls.

Normally shipyards take good care of molds at least while they are not outdated.

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Are you sure that is not junk?

A mold is a valuable thing with a limited life, at least if they want perfect hulls.

Normally shipyards take good care of molds at least while they are not outdated.

Paulo,
Just curious would you know what a very rough material cost only (no labor) would be to build a hull for a boat using the molds you have pictured?
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