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Re: Best/cheapest place to get G10 grp boards?

How about ML Condon in Westchester? I know they carry a lot of marine lumber. There would be no shipping from them, and I know they carry several kinds of Marine plywood, not sure about Balsa.
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Re: Best/cheapest place to get G10 grp boards?

Never heard of "siped" anything before so had to look it up.
Apparently it is usually used to describe the thin cuts made in tire treads but also applies to foam cores that are cut in a cross hatch pattern to allow more flexibility.
Looking at Defender's offerings of foam core products they only carry
Composites One Core-Cell Structural Closed Cell Foam
which is either "plain type" or "double cut" (assuming here that double cut = siped).
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Re: Best/cheapest place to get G10 grp boards?

Caleb,

Yup. Cuts partially through a panel on one side on an intersecting pattern at 90 degrees to each other. It allows it to flex and take a curve. I cut to fit. Butter the siped side with a paste of resin and a filler(cabosil or microbaloons or a mix) making sire the sipes get filled sipes down. Excess paste is forced out. Then press it onto the surface and cover it with more paste and the laminate. Bullet proof and rot proof and light. It cuts with a knife and small gaps can be filled with scraps and wedges you cut on the spot. If it is a close to flat surface you don't need it siped. It will soften with a heat gun and you can get some shape conformation (careful with heat). You can easily sipe it yourself if you have a table saw. Not cheap but value in workability and durability. I love the stuff. I have "scraps" in the shop I cut 20+ years ago and reach for them now to solve problems I am working on.

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Having done big area upside down


There is really no choice on a cal 29 as three is no structural inner skin attachment

This should also dispel legends about what makes a deck stiff



I can say with complete certainty the block size and ability to score the material is a huge plus as your NOT getting it up there in one shot





As much as love my friend G10 and placed it in core in areas i convinced myself it would be better



If you squeegee out a tight inner shin its incredibly strong





having bolted the stanchions back in the G10 area



And the mooring bit in the balsa area i can assure you you would never be able to tell and cannot compress the balsa

The mooring bit has held the boat through two hurricanes without so much as a bolt getting lose









For seacocks and stern-tube G10 is clearly the best material
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Re: Best/cheapest place to get G10 grp boards?

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Hey, Caleb. We replaced most of the balsa in our SJ21's decks with CoreCell. It costs substantially more than scrim balsa; shipping for either costs so much the materials price difference pales. Balsa is sometimes shipped rolled up, which may be cheaper. Balsa has more compression strength as a material (tho I'd be curious to know if that obtains post-install) but balsa's vertical shear and flexural properties are poor -- it will snap like a soda cracker. I found the CC to be fairly resistant to that, unless scored.

Both will drink a surprising amount of resin; you need to butter them well with neat mix before spreading the thickened resin, or you may end up with a starved bond. And any lightweight core material must still be isolated from water intrusion. CC will absorb a certain percentage of water, & it can delaminate from freeze/thaw just like balsa. The difference is it won't ROT. The balsa around our mast step looked like gravy. That trait alone steered me toward CC, & I am very happy with the result.

Our new-to-us '72 Ballad has some water intrusion problems around the mast partners, foredeck cleat, and chainplates. Its deck is cored with 1" Divinycell. We drilled out a couple samples with a hole saw; even tho the wet plug was over 30% MC when removed, it had very high compressive strength. It dried out in about four days to 6% MC & now seems good as new. I've tried drying out saturated balsa, but the results were not as happy.

Either material is perfectly satisfactory if you keep the water out -- balsa has a slight performance edge in several categories. Let water in, and neither material is happy; balsa suffers most. FWIW, I put cast resin pads and/or phenolic plate under all high-load deck fittings, in place of core. Even if your bedding sealant fails, there's no risk of water intrusion. Little epoxy collars are cute, but under winches, travelers, deck cleats, or around chainplate penetrations, gimme phenolic sheet running an inch or so oversize in all directions. Yeah it's heavy -- so is a foam or balsa core full of water.

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Hey Bob,

Thanks for posting about your experiences with CoreCell. It seems like a good way to go.
The job you did on the coach roof came out looking very nice indeed. Did you use vacuum bagging to apply the CC to the roof or some other clever method like Tommays showed, using dead men and a mold or pressure plate to hold the wet laminates in place before the epoxy cured?

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