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....Also interesting to see the power behind the throne... Foxys Australian wife is totally opposite to the appearance of Foxy himself... one a rastafarian type muso and one a very savvy buisness woman.....
We spoke with Foxy himself for a bit. He told us his Island Dog joke, which we heard repeated several times to other guests. If you haven't heard it, I can post it. However, it is discriminatory and you would have to recall it was told by a black man.

Foxy was drunk, btw. We actually did say at dinner that night that there had to be some business savvy behind the operation. It's way too slick and well marketed. I'm sure Foxy is more savvy than he appears, but still.

We've been to many true local places in some of the furthest out islands of the Bahamas. Places where you eat in what seem like bunkers that never had windows or doors and your food is cooked in a split open 55 gal drum over burning drift wood. They were for real and we love those memories. Foxy's is not truly local. In fact, for the $$, I would just as well go to Cooper Island Beach report or Pirates Bight. Times are changing there, but its not terrible, its just different. I think many of us are going to tell stories of "how it used to be" in the years to come.

I think its going the way of some Rockie Mountain ski resorts, like Jackson Hole. JH used to be a great, less traveled, more local feel. Its become more and more popular and now you start seeing 5 star resorts and furriers. BVI is going there too.
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I think its going the way of some Rockie Mountain ski resorts...
I hear ya. First time I went to Breckenridge was in 1973. Even then the "old timers" were saying that it was becoming too commercial. Compared to now, though... It's like a completely different planet. I can only imagine what the BVIs must have been like back in the day.
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Two additional trip observations......

1. St. Thomas, particularly Charlotte Amalie, remains an arm pit. Seriously, you would feel very uncomfortable alone in the dark, even escorting your wife. Gang banger is an adopted look by many locals. The real scary parts of town aren't a few blocks from the main stream, they are immediately next to it, in some cases. It is a wealthy island, with tons of economic activity, I just see no reason it needs to be so corrupt and decrepit. No need to redistribute wealth, just get the crime, drugs, or whatever else is going on to stop. You should see how the place gets locked and bolted at night. Our hotel, where we stayed a night before our flight out, was gated. I felt like we were sleeping in the American Embassy in Tehran.

2. I thought I noticed a change in attitude, on the average, in BVI. Given that money is pouring in, I couldn't help but wonder if its creating stress among the locals. I always found BVI to be mostly friendly and welcoming. It still is, but we ran across more attitude that I had in the past.
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Re: BVI recap

Nice trip report, Minnewaska!

The long waterline and big sail plan on the new Zanshin makes for fast sailing compared to my previous boats - everything is quickly and easily reachable.

I should add, for the record, that I was actually catching up on Minnewaska's boat under reefed genoa and main, but the wind angle was just a couple of degrees too high in order to make it between the mainland of Tortola and Great Thatch island; so I had furled my genoa and was motorsailing (at a mere 1200rpm) when I passed them by. I felt a bit guilty and since I was passing them to their starboard and my exhaust is also on my starboard side I shouted a terse "I'm cheating" across since the were working their sails to get the most of the wind. I did assuage my guilt by turning off the engine at the earliest opportunity after making it through the West-End cut and tacked up the channel to Norman Island with a stop at the Indians.

I avoid Foxy's like the plague, it is far too commercial for me. But last night I ate at Foxy's Taboo in Diamond Cay (which I gather is run by a daughter who either lived in or trained in Paris) and the menu was a welcome change to typical island offerrings and the food was surprisingly good - plus the service was excellent.
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Re: BVI recap

Seems to me at 15 - 20kts of wind a 36 should be at hull speed with enough reserve to tow a dinghy at 7kts or better.
I suspect charter services shorten the sail's a tad.

I've not been down since 2010 when I went for 2 weeks, my 7th time. It's always been commercial to me, but seems maybe it's getting moreso.
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.....I had furled my genoa and was motorsailing.....
No way I was going to throw you overboard for motoring, you didn't have to give that up.

Wish we could have said a more proper hello, but we both had work to do to get through the cut and around Little Thatch. Next time!
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Seems to me at 15 - 20kts of wind a 36 should be at hull speed with enough reserve to tow a dinghy at 7kts or better.
I suspect charter services shorten the sail's a tad.

I've not been down since 2010 when I went for 2 weeks, my 7th time. It's always been commercial to me, but seems maybe it's getting moreso.
I had to check the manufacturer website to see if the jib was standard, and it seems to be. Still, I suppose it could be undersized as well as the main. It was interesting to see that every pic in the Bavaria brochure shows her flying an asym spinnaker, code zero, or something of the sort. Pretty shots for sure, but have to wonder if that might actually be necessary to get her off her feet.

Admittedly, we enjoyed just getting into the cruisers mindset. Once the sails were trim, we sat back and went with whatever we got, rather than tweak every tenth of a knot. Still, it would have taken a miracle to get her to hull speed.
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Re: BVI recap

Just for comparison, I looked up the GPS tracks for my recent charter of a Sunsail 38 (essentially a Jenneau Sun Odyssey 379). I was sailing under conditions similar to Minnewaska. We took in a reef before leaving the dock on day 1, and never let it out the whole week. We sailed with full genoa, although it appeared to be about a 110, so calling it a genoa is a bit "gen-erous"

On the open stretch from East End St. John, heading toward the Bight, I was doing 6-7.2 kt. Prior to that I was only doing 4.5-5 kt along the northeast shore of St. John, but I was pinching severely to avoid having to tack. (The chartplotter says we were 60m from the rocks at East End , although that's probably more precision than the chart can offer.)

Next day, on a beam reach between Peter Island and Road Harbour, I was doing 6.5-7.5 kt, and touched 8 kt a couple of times.

All these chartplotter numbers agree with my recollection of the SOG gauges from the boat's built-in GPS system.

This was my first time pulling a dinghy, and it did not even dawn on me that it would slow us down. The dinghy probably explains why I could only get 5 kt when motoring. But since the dinghy does not affect your hull speed, if you have enough wind, sail area, and proper trim, I would think you should have plenty of power to reach hull speed even with a dinghy in tow.
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I forgot to mention that I snorkeled under the boat a few times, and its bottom was perfectly clean - no barnacles or slime. That is probably the biggest factor in our boats' differences in speed.
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Re: BVI recap

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Best we could get out of the Bavaria 36, towing a dinghy, was about 5 knots, 4 was more common.
I'll be on a Bene 403 out of Conch (10 nights) and including a passage to Anagada. I'm wondering, do you think it possible to lift the dingy on deck, removing the outboard, or too much trouble and no room for the jump to Anagada?

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Cooper to North Sound on Virgin Gorda (serious beat into the wind. Motor sailed half of it. Spent two days in the Sound)
North Sound, same as Gorda Sound, did you enter & leave via the buoyed channel along Colquhoun Reef?

What about Eustatia Sound, a buoyed channel near Saba Rock? Anyone in there, worth taking a dingy in there to snorkel leaving the boat at Saba?


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Virgin Gorda to Marina Cay.
What's that area (and Trellis Bay) like for airport noise? I have it in my head to stay away because of the airport, worth seeing despite?

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Jost Van Dyke to Norman
From JVD I'm thinking of looping Great Tobago(between Great & Little) and heading back toward the Narrows, comment?


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We were passed by Zanshin in the Thatch Island Cut.
Zanshin? Never mind, I just saw his post-

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the wait can be tremendous, especially if there is a huge stinkpotter on the fuel dock.
Stinkpotter? You mean someone pumping the holding tank for the head?

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