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..and you've lost your rig and fouled your prop thus causing your "engine" to break a mount or bend a shaft..or worse holed your boat..
and just how is having a lifeline the same size as a shroud to be used as a spare going to help if all that happens.
I guess you are saying that having a spare shroud on your boat is going to save your rig from coming down because you are going to see it is going to break the shroud before it happens and you are going to be able change it with the lifeline while at sea. there for save the day. good luck with that.

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and just how is having a lifeline the same size as a shroud to be used as a spare going to help if all that happens.
I guess you are saying that having a spare shroud on your boat is going to save your rig from coming down because you are going to see it is going to break the shroud before it happens and you are going to be able change it with the lifeline while at sea. there for save the day. good luck with that.
As an owner of a 'Blue Water' vessel and has seen the results of a demasting at sea far from land beyond the range under power..

Yes..Sh$$ happens..prepare for it..
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First off, the OP is NOT going to be sailing his 27' C&C off shore, at best somewhere in the middle of the Georgia straight tween Vancouver BC and Vancouver Island!

I do agree with the middle line can be a good thing.......does the OP or others like me iwth boats about the same size need 36" life lines......if off sore I can see how and why, again, local, if like a car, accidents occur usually within 10 miles of home....might be needed, but will go with the typical 24 and 12" height lines. I would go with syntheitec as mentioned over wire again. Might even look at that option for the shrouds frankly when that time comes up.

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Re: Double or single lifelines?

I just recently replaced all of my aging lifelines using Suncor Quick Attach Lifeline Kit. There wasn't much price difference between buying them individually vs. the kit. You can get them with or without gates. I installed them without gates. The installation was pretty simple and quick. The stainless wire look pretty nice compare to my old PVC-Coated lines and much easier to inspect...

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Paul,

What's your deck set up? Flush, toe-rail, or bulwark?


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Re: Double or single lifelines?

She's got the classic C&C toerail, and as to some of the other comments on here, of course if I was racing, taking crew or going offshore then 100% as much gear as I can fit on the boat. But I mostly day-sail in very protected waters so that's all rather irrelevant to me (and waist height solid steel railings are a little OTT on a 24' sailboat). If I am scrambling around on the foredeck with waves crashing over me and threatening to sweep me off the deck, then frankly I have more to worry about than my lifelines

Aaron (flyingjib), that's interesting as I was looking at the Quick Attach gear, I wouldn't bother with the kits as to get enough fittings I'd have to be buying 160ft of cable and probably using only 90 of it. I priced it up vs moving to synthetic lines, either way I am going to need to replace all the fittings and so the costs are within a few bucks. For that difference, plus the fact I can still DIY, I might as well go with the stainless and have something where I only have to worry about rust and not UV damage, chafe etc as well.

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As an owner of a 'Blue Water' vessel and has seen the results of a demasting at sea far from land beyond the range under power..

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LMAO, I'm assuming you've been on a boat that's lost a rig. So have I. Please walk me through the steps in which you would remove the lifeline and use it as a shroud (assuming it wasn't damaged when the rig came down). Include the steps of measuring the new shroud, cutting it, crimping an eye (unless you have a $300+ crimper onboard, or maybe you carry the real deal a $7,000+ hand swage onboard). Just doesn't seem realistic at sea. A much better bet would be to carry a synthetic stay and some lashing for a jerry rig. Lighter easier to rig, and won't get damaged when the stick hits the deck.

But, to each his own.

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For that difference, plus the fact I can still DIY, I might as well go with the stainless and have something where I only have to worry about rust and not UV damage, chafe etc as well.
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She's got the classic C&C toerail, and as to some of the other comments on here, of course if I was racing, taking crew or going offshore then 100% as much gear as I can fit on the boat. But I mostly day-sail in very protected waters so that's all rather irrelevant to me (and waist height solid steel railings are a little OTT on a 24' sailboat). If I am scrambling around on the foredeck with waves crashing over me and threatening to sweep me off the deck, then frankly I have more to worry about than my lifelines

Aaron (flyingjib), that's interesting as I was looking at the Quick Attach gear, I wouldn't bother with the kits as to get enough fittings I'd have to be buying 160ft of cable and probably using only 90 of it. I priced it up vs moving to synthetic lines, either way I am going to need to replace all the fittings and so the costs are within a few bucks. For that difference, plus the fact I can still DIY, I might as well go with the stainless and have something where I only have to worry about rust and not UV damage, chafe etc as well.
I bought my stuff here. The swgae tool at Home depot is great and works as well with the Johnson fittings as a real pressure one. Dont buy the hand one.

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Re: Double or single lifelines?

zz4gta - how are these lashed to the pullpit/pushpit? Mine don't have nice loops to lash to, I have a fork fitting at one end, and a spade type fitting at the other.
I guess I could use something like these instead of lashings to allow tensioning, Johnson Tubular Lifeline Turnbuckle with Eye - Fittings for Dyneema Lifelines - Lifeline Hardware - Rigging, Spar & Lifeline Hdwr - Downwind Marine but then that's $120 for 4 of them (plus shipping, import taxes etc), and then fittings for the other end. This still wouldn't solve the problem of having to step over them, so I'd need to get pelican hooks etc and figure that out. Suggested replacement lifecycle of line of 3 years, versus 10+ for stainless. Overall, unless you are simply lashing static lines directly to the pushpit/pullpit, it is not going to work out cheaper I don't think since the only real difference between the two is the cost of the actual lifeline, and with the replacement cycle for dyneema, that will work out more.
chef - not sure I'd trust lifelines to something I'd swaged myself with a $20 Home Depot swager (and of course Home Depot don't sell them in Canada).

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