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Re: Double or single lifelines?

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I bought my stuff here. The swgae tool at Home depot is great and works as well with the Johnson fittings as a real pressure one. Dont buy the hand one.

Swaging Tool-ST18S at The Home Depot



Suggest you make your end units at the bow tubular turnbulcke so they can be adjusted with an easy turn of the tubes.
the home depot tool is a nicro press sleeve tool not the same as the johnson sleeve tool. Johnson says there tool is different size. if you use a home depot tool to swage the johnson fittings you might be putting someone in danger
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Re: Double or single lifelines?

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the home depot tool is a nicro press sleeve tool not the same as the johnson sleeve tool. Johnson says there tool is different size. if you use a home depot tool to swage the johnson fittings you might be putting someone in danger
I have used the hand tool also, recommended by Johnson

Lifeline Hand Crimping Tool - Johnson Marine Hardware | Fisheries Supply

I have found the tool I posted swages the lifeline hand fittings just as well wether it was designed for it or not. I understand the difference between a nicopress fitting and round ones. Mine accomadates the rouns ones also.

If you are in doubt get the othe one thant you screw down.


Just a FWI, I would not use hand swages standing rigging
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Re: Double or single lifelines?

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zz4gta - how are these lashed to the pullpit/pushpit? Mine don't have nice loops to lash to, I have a fork fitting at one end, and a spade type fitting at the other.
Do you have a photo? Don't believe I've seen a fork n' spade on lifelines before.


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I guess I could use something like these instead of lashings to allow tensioning, Johnson Tubular Lifeline Turnbuckle with Eye - Fittings for Dyneema Lifelines - Lifeline Hardware - Rigging, Spar & Lifeline Hdwr - Downwind Marine but then that's $120 for 4 of them (plus shipping, import taxes etc), and then fittings for the other end.
Clearly I'm not understanding how your current lifelines are connected. Why would you need 4? 2 sets on a 24 footer? Why would you need these connections at all?

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This still wouldn't solve the problem of having to step over them, so I'd need to get pelican hooks etc and figure that out.
Correct. But I've never had an issue steping over lifelines, they're knee high, honestly, how tall are you?

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Suggested replacement lifecycle of line of 3 years, versus 10+ for stainless.
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Overall, unless you are simply lashing static lines directly to the pushpit/pullpit, it is not going to work out cheaper I don't think since the only real difference between the two is the cost of the actual lifeline, and with the replacement cycle for dyneema, that will work out more.
The way you're doing it, agreed. It will be way more expensive than something much more simple and appropriate for a 24 footer.
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Re: Double or single lifelines?

You can just about make out the one at the pullpit,:

Like I said, not some nice simple loop you can easily lash to, and the fitting is a similar deal at the pushpit. As for height, I have no problem stepping over them, but the Admiral and the mutt do, so they have to be dropped in some way. Plus I single hand a lot so not having to step over gives me one less thing to trip on (assuming I get them out of the way).
According to Johnson, "Johnson recommends changing out the line at 3-year intervals."
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Re: Double or single lifelines?

All I get is a red X.

Johnson makes hardware, did they spcify why it should be replaced every 3 years? Synthetic line has come a long way since SK60 was introduced. They coat the lines with a UV blocker and it holds up very well in sunlight. I would suggest every 5 years unless there's chafe issues, and that's only b/c there hasn't been more data available.

By the time you add in your gate and other fittings for wire, you'll still be cheaper using synthetic. More importantly, it's easier, and faster to make repairs, not to mention lighter.

But it sounds like you're set on wire. For me, I'll never put wire lifelines on a boat again. Just not worth it. The catamaran I did we put in pelican hooks and other fittings to drop both sets of lifelines.
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Re: Double or single lifelines?

Maybe this will work better...http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...K/P1010966.jpg

Not set on wire, my first thought actually was to go to a line system but when I priced up all the bits there wasn't much in it. I can't just lash to a nice eye fitting on my push/pulpits as there isn't one, hence fittings of some sort whichever way I go. I also have a ^^^^^ thing around my lifelines along the foredeck to keep my foresail onboard, that isn't going to work with line lifelines without extra chafe protection (or is it?).
I'm looking for good feedback on either route, I just want to make sure I go the best one
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Re: Double or single lifelines?

Very similar to ours with the stanchions on the toe rails. Great for room going forward and not worring about soft spots in the decks where the bases are. Hell for docking and the pilings above the dock

I have great confidence in replcing my wire to rope halyards with all rope. I dont have the same with lifelines which are subject to constant sun and wet waves as lasting as long. I have seen a fishook in a bare wire lifeline scissor a joib in two seconds.

The difference in price is not that much. Both will give you the safty you want.

Decide which looks better and which you can adjust the easiest as you will need to do that.
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Re: Double or single lifelines?

Right now i have single life lines but when i replace the top one i plan on adding a lower one not for holding on but more for tieing stuff up and securing it on deck.
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No kids, no racing, if that makes any difference The other alternative was to do away with them entirely, they are next to useless now and mostly just act as a way to trip me up getting on and off at the dock.
slick clean decks are where its at. LIfelines aren't anything to trust your life to, all i ever used them for was making getting in and out of the dink harder than it need be when I was trying to get in and out other than at a gate. Jack lines and harness are what keep you on in or attached to the boat...

I'm singlehanded usually, and as such, theres not anyone whose gonna help me back in the boat- I still prefer going without however- except at anchor- when i sortof think of them as a way to repel boarders... basically if the gate is open, come on up- if not- enter at your own risk. haha totally ineffective but a nice psychological boost either way. Go with your heart on this one- if your scared of going overboard it wont be very fun sailing
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Re: Double or single lifelines?

So you have something like this


Attached to something like this but with just one 'tang'.


You could use a shackle as a cheap solution. 2.50 ea.


Or you could probably get away with using a sailmakers thimble depending on what size line you wanted. Might get you down to $1.50 ea. if you shop around. I think at that point your splitting hairs though.

Consult a rigger, they'll be able to help you. Lots of solutions to this. As for the zigzag line, no worries. I'm using spiderline as my 'netting' and dyneema lifelines, no real chafe to speak of. 3 years going. I have replaced the spiderline though. This boat is raced hard, had one crew (200 lbs 6'-2") hit them full force, driving a stanchion on the pullpit into and through the deck. But the lifeline and lashing held just fine.

Sails get lashed down, people hang on them, tie fenders to them, etc. They hold up a lot better than you think.
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