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Re: 19 foot Oday for crusing

The swing keel gives the same, or in some cases better, stability. A Cat 22 has a 500 lb keel hanging down 5 feet. Weight x draft = stability.

It lacks in durability. The cable, the hinge, they need to be looked at every year.

But - it more than makes up for that in trailer-ability. Its hard enough getting a swing keel boat off the bunks, God help you with a fixed keel.

I rented an Oday 19 in Newport. Its a simple boat, big enough for 4, fixed keel. I saw nothing remotely cruiser about it. Its a day sailer. My Cat 22 is a little but more stable, and maybe a bit slower in light winds.

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Re: 19 foot Oday for crusing

I don't know where you're located, but if you're set on a fixed keel there is a Seafarer 22 and trailer on Craigslist in Bloomington, IN that seems to fit what you are looking for.
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Re: 19 foot Oday for crusing

There is one at the marina we are currently at. It looks like a nice boat for what it is, but with any type of a blow, she rocks all over the place, very violently. I get seasick just looking at her there sometimes. While I'm sure she can go off the coast, I certainly wouldn't want to be the one doing it. This is obviously a matter of your preference and skill.

As I've said before, there are some bargains right now in FL if you are patient and, in some cases, don't mind putting some elbow grease into the boat.

If you haven't already considered it, I might add a Cal 20 to the list.
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Re: 19 foot Oday for crusing

Everyone seems to speak highly about the cat 22. Some people I have spoken with told me this was a low quality production boat that doesnt sail well and it always leaks from the keel. What do you guys think? I am new to sailing, but I dont want to purchase a boat I will out grow in months. Is the Cat 22 a nice trailerable boat that I can take to the lake and along coast and will move with 5 knot winds? I have sailed a cal 22 and it handles well in little wind.
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Re: 19 foot Oday for crusing

I think your quandary here is two fold, you are wanting a sailboat you can trailer to different locations and one you will not outgrow. I purchased a 1976 Catalina 22 last year moving up from Gale Force 20 that only had a cuddy cabin. The pros of the Catalina were she was trailerable, had a swing keel, was a very versatile boat I could sail in many locations and she did sail well if I didn't take her out in unreasonable weather. The cons were low head room in cabin, although the pop top was a nice feature while anchored and she had the dreaded Catalina soft deck which I think was more of a result of the previous owner and his lack of performance of any type of seasonal maintenance. I sold her last month after finding a Bayliner Buccaneer 21 with standing headroom in the cabin. Short answer to your question is I think you will outgrow a Cat 22, or any boat that size, if you are looking to use as you stated for extended periods of time. You may want to look in the 25 to 27 foot range where you'll find larger cabins with full head, galley and sleeping area while still trailerable.
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Re: 19 foot Oday for crusing

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Everyone seems to speak highly about the cat 22. Some people I have spoken with told me this was a low quality production boat that doesnt sail well and it always leaks from the keel. What do you guys think? I am new to sailing, but I dont want to purchase a boat I will out grow in months. Is the Cat 22 a nice trailerable boat that I can take to the lake and along coast and will move with 5 knot winds? I have sailed a cal 22 and it handles well in little wind.
I absolutely love mine. It will move in 5 knots, slowly. Other boats can outperform it in very light winds, but you can always get a 135% Genoa to help with that. Quality is good,if mine is any indication. Importantly, there are thousands out there for parts and a big aftermarket for the boat so you can always get parts.

Jeez its tough puttng up the mast! I wouldn't want to do anything bigger by hand alone. I have no leaks and mine is a 74. Size matters and the Cat 22 is just right. I mean for me and my wife its perfect and the pop top adds a lot of headroom. That really helps.

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Re: 19 foot Oday for crusing

I learned to sail on a Catalina 22, 1973.
It's not meant for open ocean passages of course, but with care and a serious eye on the weather it'll do for short hops along the coast.

When the kicker on it died we hung my 2.5hp Yamaha on the back. It still made 5.4 kts in flat water, which I would take as an indicator of how little sail it takes to get her to hull speed.
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Re: 19 foot Oday for crusing

If you want to move it around on a trailer regularly then you really need to give up on a fixed keel and go for a swing keel. That is, unless you find some other boat that has a very, VERY shallow fixed keel.

The problem with anything more than about 2' of draft on a trailer is that a lot of ramps won't accommodate it. You will have to search around and find ramps that are deep enough. Kind of defeats the whole idea of being able to take the boat wherever you want.

I used to have a San Juan 23, which had a swing keel in a fixed stub, and a minimum draft of just a shade under 2'. Even at that, with a 4WD pickup truck to trailer it, there were still some ramps around Florida that I just could not launch and retrieve the boat from. The fixed-keel Catalina 22 has a 3.5' draft according to what I've read. You are going to find that only a small percentage of ramps will allow you to launch a boat like that.
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Re: 19 foot Oday for crusing

Our Lancer 25 drafts 30". We have never not been able to launch. But, I have a roller trailer so that might make the difference. If I was smart (I think I've found the problem) I'd put a tongue extension on and really take care of the problem, but until then, I put my shoulder into the launch and winch like crazy to retrieve. The boat, loaded, is around 4000 lbs.
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Re: 19 foot Oday for crusing

I think the biggest difference is probably that you're in Maine. Here in Florida, there's a lot of skinny water. And a lot of ramps where the concrete ends before the water gets to be 30" deep.

And the OP is here in Florida, though up in the panhandle. Not certain what the ramps are like there, but it's definitely something to think about before buying a fixed-keel boat and then expecting to be able to launch it anywhere you might want to go.
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