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Re: Halyards to cockpit?

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Captain Jon, you are a purist. In other post, others mentioned you as like person they want to meet. I am afraid to meet you becasue you will kick my ass flying across Pacific ocean.

OK, I be advised that I will stick my head out the dodge when I use the electric main halyard. Better yet, I will manually crank the remaining few inches by hand. Been there done that, have a story to tell too.

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Nah, I'm hardly a purist, I like most gadgets as much as the next guy... When I'm cruising my own boat, I suppose I do put a higher premium on sailing, as opposed to motoring, than most cruisers appear to do, but that's about it... You'd probably be surprised at the amount of gadgetry my little tub sports, I would NEVER choose a manual windlass over an electric, for example, and I would kill to have a wireless remote autopilot control on the boat I'm running now - whoever installed the tillerpilot control on this boat should simply be shot, what a moron, couldn't possibly have been placed in a dumber, more inconvenient location...

However, I do like stuff that WORKS, and I hate to say that much of what is being foisted upon the sailing 'consumer' these days, either seems largely unnecessary, or simply doesn't really work that well at all...

One of my dislikes was certainly confirmed today at the Charleston City Marina Megadock... I've sat here for 2 days due to weather, today's passage of a warm front was truly impressive, blew 35-40 out of the S & SW for much of the day...

One of the worst trends I'm seeing in today's production boats - particularly many of the popular Euro variety - is the placement of these freakin' picture windows in the topsides, a foot or more below deck level...

One of those sleek and sexy Euro bitches found themselves pinned against the outboard/weather side of the face dock, their fenders being squeezed virtually flat... It was very sobering to behold, the vulnerability of those windows, placed at the boat's maximum beam, when the hull came into contact with the face of the dock...

So, in that regard, call me a "purist"... The purposeful cutting of large, long holes in the side of a boat, and then filling that hole with a piece of Lexan or whatever, is just plain nuts on a boat intended to actually go places beyond the sight of land... (grin)
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Re: Halyards to cockpit?

I was a luddite for many years, sailing to places like Block Island and Shelter Island in an 18' catboat. My electronics consisted of a handheld VHF for a number of years. We did dead reckoning, using compass, paper chart and Eldridges and never failed to fetch the right passage coming back from BI in pea soup fog on a number of occasions. Never thought about lifelines or harnesses when I went forward to reef as the 14' gaff and 19' boom were swinging. That was part of the challenge.

Then we (the 2 of us) got older and got a 35' sloop with progressively more "stuff". Initially we had to go forward to reef the main, but we didn't worry about it until one time when we got caught in 45 kts for 45 minutes. I had a harness, but hadn't rigged the jacklines, so we rode it out with a fisherman's reef. The brand new sail had shed the lower full length batten and the telltales were shredded when we got back to safe harbor.

That was just an aberration, we thought, until we had to reef in a sustained 29 kt breeze coming back from Nantucket. The water in Nantucket Sound was quite choppy and the admiral was nervous, so I started the auxiliary as we luffed and I went forward to hook the tack and deal with the halyard and jiffy reefing. I was OK, but the admiral was uncomfortable. You know what that means.

We then had a rigger install single line reefing, with all lines, including main halyard, led inside the dodger. The sail was modified by adding Karver blocks at the reef tacks and clews and we installed a winch next to the companionway for needed mechanical advantage.

When all was said and done--and the bill paid--we are glad we did it. It is really comforting to stay in the cockpit when that squall blows up--except for those times when one of the lines loops around a mast winch (Murphy!). The cutout in the hem of the dodger has not been a problem with spray and the occasional green water, but that might be a consequence of the step-up on our coachroof.

The bottom line for us is safety and the single line reefing provides some of that. The other safety device is the below-deck autopilot that replaced an unreliable wheel pilot. If one of us has a fall or other injury, it's a reliable third crew member. When I occasionally single-hand, it is indispensable for steering the boat when preparing lines and fenders when coming up to a dock, particularly when confined to a channel.

So, we have more "toys", as some would call them, but they have become indispensable in our senior years. We had to wait a long time to afford them, but there is no question that they are important pieces of gear. We didn't think we needed any of this stuff when we were younger and accidents happened to other people.

The purists have their opinion, but if we had it to do over, we would have made these changes sooner.
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Re: Halyards to cockpit?

Good posts and great responses all! Keep 'em coming, if you please?

Chrysalis is a tiller-steered tub of elder parentage and lesser equipped. As much as I'd like to consider myself a "purist", I'm more than ready at this stage of life to start taking it a bit easier. Mr. Murphy..or his aquatic equivalent , is bound to rear his head and cause all manner of difficulties at inopportune times. Until I have a few miles under the keel, I had best keep it simple! Until I joined here and read vast amounts of posts and did massive research, I had no idea what a "Genoa track and cars"were; let alone thought I had need of them!

I plan to purchase lines sufficient to eventually run them to the 'pit. In the meantime, I see no reason not to have the excess (perhaps 10 or 12 feet?) hung/stowed nicely while under way and out of use. I can sure bend a loop over the halyard winch as well as a have the bitter end to hand. As time, experience and finances allow, I'll add such hardware as needed in some sort of logical order.


Oh.. and not to forget! I *do* plan to run a jackline/s and wear a harness/PFD when out. :biggrin:

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Re: Halyards to cockpit?

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One of those sleek and sexy Euro bitches found themselves pinned against the outboard/weather side of the face dock, their fenders being squeezed virtually flat
Does that count as boat porn?
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Re: Halyards to cockpit?

I converted my 35' sailboat "Heron" last year. I tried to keep it simple. I left all the gear at the mast, including the clutches; but led the lines to a second set of clutches on the cabin-top. If the ones at the mast are open the ones in the cockpit hold the lines. My description with pictures can be found here from a previous thread;
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/genera...e-ideas-4.html

I did it for safety as I am getting older, for making single handed sailing easier and sailing with newbie friends and kids more relaxing. I also have an autopilot. I installed that first a few years ago and it worked fine when going forward (also with jack lines and harness). But this upgrade gets me out more often.

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Re: Halyards to cockpit?

If you rig it right you can put a joystick with remote control to all electric two way winches.
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Re: Halyards to cockpit?

Think the take aways are:
1.Fallard is right- bringing everything aft increases safety and comfort
2.Jon is right- if done must be done correctly and systems maintained
3.Autopilots are great- but must be sized correctly,if going off shore have appropriate spares and serviced routinely

Before builting my new boat looked at a huge number of vessels with hull portlights. Had occassion to blow out lights on the LEEWARD side in a knockdown once. Agree some may feel they are stylish. I think they have no place on a boat that sails in any kind of weather unless over built in the extreme.
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Before building my new boat looked at a huge number of vessels with hull portlights. Had occassion to blow out lights on the LEEWARD side in a knockdown once. Agree some may feel they are stylish. I think they have no place on a boat that sails in any kind of weather unless over built in the extreme.
While I like the idea of a 'view' of the anchorage from the salon, that's always been a bit of concern, esp as these hull ports get bigger and lower in the hull. One would assume/hope they were designed and installed with such forces in mind, but.....?

What boat was it that you actually blew out a hull portlight? First time I've heard of that actually happening.
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Re: Halyards to cockpit?

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Not sure why this is an either or. An autopilit requires more money also. I say you have both
The content of the OP suggests that finances are a concern. I started sailing singlehanding a Catalina[Jaguar] 22 and my first purchase was a tillerpilot.

That allowed me to go forward to change/reef sails with the boat under control.

Sure it would be nice on long wet cold passages to have both but if I had to choose between having all lines back to the cockpit OR an autopilot the autopilot wins every time.
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