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So, an offer someone made to me got me wondering about my USCG COD. The only operational endorsement I have is "Recreation".

In a nutshell, the offer was to the effect that I would instruct sailing lessons for a sailing school on my boat. I have led lessons for this school for a few years on the school's boats. Students pay the school for lessons. I would recieve no monetary compensation for the instructing. I would benefit, however, from the school's port supply discount at local marine stores. Basically, it would be a pretty casual thing - new students creating overflow on the schools boats could (if I felt like it that day) head out with me for some basic sailing instruction...

I'm not looking for advice about whether or not not to take this offer as I've already declined it, because I'm simply not interested in doing it. However, it got me wondering - would this be a violation of my endorsement? Technically, no one is paying me... They are paying someone else to sail on my boat. So, if you did this, would just be the world's biggest sucker for letting someone else make all the profit off your boat/time, or are you in trouble the coasties as well
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Re: Question about USCG Operational Endorsement

CG may look at this way, the student or passenger is paying some body. I don't think they will care if you get money or not.

OTOH, since you are the captain, it is easy to get a six pac license to cover your butt.


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Re: Question about USCG Operational Endorsement

I'm betting that the Port Supply discount would be considered compensation, as it was specifically in exchange for service.


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Re: Question about USCG Operational Endorsement

Great Question.. I'm interested in the correct answer too. Though, I haven't/wouldn't do it, I've been asked by schools if I would use my boat to teach lessons on. (my instruction). Basically putting my vessel into the service of the school.

I went looking for exceptions, but can't find any. It appears that a coastwise COD would be required. You can hold multiple documentations. ( recreational/coastwise.)

I believe Minne is right when he says that port supply discounts would be considered compensation.

Licensure of the skipper is a seperate issue.

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Re: Question about USCG Operational Endorsement

Agreed. The License for the skipper is a different issue. I don't have any real ambitions to get a captain's license, since I don't think I can make living doing it right now :-) ... I can say, the arrangement that was offered to me has been offered to many others in our Marina who have taken it up - so folks are certainly "getting away with it". None of them are captains either - I don't know if that matters. I know a woman at my marina who took the courses and got her six pac and can't put her own boat back in it's slip, so whatever the legality, I can't see I would feel safer on a boat just because the skipper has a captains license.
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It also doesn't answer the insurance implications. If they think you're a business rather than recreational only, your coverage could be in question if you get into a scrape..
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Re: Question about USCG Operational Endorsement

Just my two cents, but the way I understand the USCG regs is this:

If you accept compensation to skipper in a vessel in US waters, you need a USCG Captain's License. If your boat is being used for anything other than recreational purposes (e.g. being chartered or used as training vessel with paying customers) then your boat's USCG documentation should have a coastwise endorsement (or something other than just a recreational endorsement, depending on the type of trade the vessel is engaged in).
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So, an offer someone made to me got me wondering about my USCG COD. The only operational endorsement I have is "Recreation".
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Gotta ask, what is a COD?

As to the situation, what has been described above requires a proper captain;s license. If some folks have been taking passengers out for even implied compensation, they are playing stupid Russian roulette, and the consequences can be severe. For example:
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COD = Certificate of Documentation. My vessel is Coast Gaurd Documented, not state registered.
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Re: Question about USCG Operational Endorsement

Very interesting article! I'd say that about sums it up It goes double for me, personally, as I'm in downtown Chicago.
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