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"Noah.... build me an ark....." BUT YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE EMERGENCY GEAR!
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Considering it is a plan for a 'typical' boat, it works on the drawing board. Designing for specific boat use would no doubt improve the execution. Denise makes a good point about long term tiller steering fatigue. Looks like the pivot point between "tiller" and "rudder" is off on this plan, that would cause early operator fatigue. Fine tuning will need to consider steering through the stern rail, above the pedestal, it's doable. When you consider the "emergency" tillers supplied by builders, this is more realistic, especially for anyone going beyond the site of land.
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This was the setup that passed a race committee requirement for an emergency steering setup. The plan was to ubolt a pre drilled lift-out board from the V berth to the end of the spinn pole, lash it to the backstay with some kind of chafe protection and either use it as a tiller, or lash the other end to the top of the wheel (if still serviceable). This was built, assembled, installed for trial but never actually put to the test... what'd'ya think?

I think on that passage, an NFL linebacker would be ready to drop from exhaustion after about 3 hours of attempting to steer a fin-keeled boat DDW in 25+ knots and 12-15' seas using such a rig...

Did anyone look at the link I provided to the passage made by the Sweden 390 EGRET above? A boat remarkably similar in design to a CS 36? They completed a passage of 2200 NM, the last 1500 of it without a freakin' rudder, in only 26 days... Hit their intended destination right on the nose, an absolute textbook example of how it should be done...

Tradewinds poled-out twin headsails and a drogue, people... Let the BOAT do the work, for chrissakes... (grin)
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I think on that passage, an NFL linebacker would be ready to drop from exhaustion after about 3 hours of attempting to steer a fin-keeled boat DDW in 25+ knots and 12-15' seas using such a rig...

Did anyone look at the link I provided to the passage made by the Sweden 390 EGRET above? A boat remarkably similar in design to a CS 36? They completed a passage of 2200 NM, the last 1500 of it without a freakin' rudder, in only 26 days... Hit their intended destination right on the nose, an absolute textbook example of how it should be done...

Tradewinds poled-out twin headsails and a drogue, people... Let the BOAT do the work, for chrissakes... (grin)
Hmmm. You may be onto something with this new-fangled "headsail thing":

http://www.rnvryc.org/Resources/Docu...012_Spring.pdf

Paulo also provided a great link in which the dude tried virtually all of the methods mentioned above - even Faster's:


http://www.sail-world.com/news_print....cfm?Nid=29988
(Sounds like their bow thruster was handy)
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Did anyone look at the link I provided to the passage made by the Sweden 390 EGRET above? A boat remarkably similar in design to a CS 36? They completed a passage of 2200 NM, the last 1500 of it without a freakin' rudder, in only 26 days... Hit their intended destination right on the nose, an absolute textbook example of how it should be done...

Tradewinds poled-out twin headsails and a drogue, people... Let the BOAT do the work, for chrissakes... (grin)
I did Jon. It was a fascinating read once I found it in *.pdf format.
Typical British aplomb. He wanted to offer a cup of tea to the fellow, Alan, who had brought them some extra diesel fuel. There was no time for tea however.

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I did Jon. It was a fascinating read once I found it in *.pdf format.
Typical British aplomb. He wanted to offer a cup of tea to the fellow, Alan, who had brought them some extra diesel fuel. There was no time for tea however.
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Say, do you know a boat out of Nyack, a Cape George 31 named GREY SEAL?

I'm presently taking her south, and around to the west coast of FL... Hard to believe she's 25+ years old, obviously sailed rarely if at all, this thing is freakin' perfect... Just wondering if you knew the boat, or the previous owner?

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Here's the ais track info on that ship:
AMAZON GUARDIAN - Vessel's Details and Current Position - 9197739 - 239649000


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Re: Rudder lost at sea and rescue

I have skimmed the thread.

ISAF offshore rules require an emergency rudder. Install gudgeons on the transom and have a rudder with pintles to match stowed on board.

The spin pole rudder will work. Some friends in the 2000 Vic Maui sailed 600 miles on one. I brought the boat back with a rebuilt stainless rudder.

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Hi Caleb,

Say, do you know a boat out of Nyack, a Cape George 31 named GREY SEAL?

I'm presently taking her south, and around to the west coast of FL... Hard to believe she's 25+ years old, obviously sailed rarely if at all, this thing is freakin' perfect... Just wondering if you knew the boat, or the previous owner?

Hi Jon,
I don't recognize that boat from Nyack Boat Club. She might have been kept at Petersen's just up river. Karl Coplan keeps his 38' Wiaquez at NBC but a fellow from CSBB named Efriam kept his boat at Petersen's although Grey Seal is not his IIRC.

This spec sheet for the Cape George 31' says that they were first made in 1990: CAPE GEORGE 31 sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com Perhaps the boat is 25- years old. Will you take that 4'6" draft through Lake Okeechobee or go outside?

I know that Karl C. likes to follow your posts. He is an interesting fellow and quite a sailor.

What is with all the ice on the lifelines? I suppose it is still winter out on the Atlantic as it is here for a short while yet.

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Hi Caleb,

Say, do you know a boat out of Nyack, a Cape George 31 named GREY SEAL?

I'm presently taking her south, and around to the west coast of FL... Hard to believe she's 25+ years old, obviously sailed rarely if at all, this thing is freakin' perfect... Just wondering if you knew the boat, or the previous owner?

Jon! there is a Emergency rudder aboard right?
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