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Jon! there is a Emergency rudder aboard right?
Probably not, BUt Jon could make one with whats available.


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Having a wind vane self steering system on a smaller (<34') boat would seem like a good backup system for the boat's own rudder.
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I have a Norvane steering unit which claims to be usable as an emergency rudder. The rudder blade looks too small to provide much purchase. It can't have more than a couple of square feet of surface area. Will have to experiment with it some day. I like the idea of a simple bottom-weighted drogue door, much like a trawl door. If you could get one of those set well, it would surely drag the stern around and still allow some decent forward motion. It would also work in almost any condition. One with switchable weights would be useful for either tack. There must be a good design for one somewhere.

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Hi Jon,
I don't recognize that boat from Nyack Boat Club. She might have been kept at Petersen's just up river. Karl Coplan keeps his 38' Wiaquez at NBC but a fellow from CSBB named Efriam kept his boat at Petersen's although Grey Seal is not his IIRC.

This spec sheet for the Cape George 31' says that they were first made in 1990: CAPE GEORGE 31 sailboat specifications and details on sailboatdata.com Perhaps the boat is 25- years old. Will you take that 4'6" draft through Lake Okeechobee or go outside?

I know that Karl C. likes to follow your posts. He is an interesting fellow and quite a sailor.

What is with all the ice on the lifelines? I suppose it is still winter out on the Atlantic as it is here for a short while yet.
I thought he owner told me she was built in '86, though I could be mistaken... The previous owner apparently is a hobbyist who likes to restore older traditional boats, and sell them when he's done... I'll bet I'm the first person to have slept aboard this boat in many years, perhaps even the first ever... It's obvious she's seen virtually no use whatsoever, the new owner has got himself quite a deal...

The draft is actually a bit over 5', the rig is a bit over 50', so I'll be going down around thru the Keys... I'm sure I could sneak this thru Okeechobee, but why take the chance... The longer route translates to more money, anyway... (grin)

The pic was taken the morning I left Annapolis, the temps were in the low 20's, and the breeze was pretty brisk... Haven't really been pushing hard on this one, but the weather has really sucked overall... Nothing but strong W & SW, or flat calm, and very cold all the way down to Canaveral... virtually no sailing whatsoever, very little running outside - only from Cape Fear to Charleston, and St Simons to St Augustine... Ran through Georgia inside, starting and ending the day at low tide, during a westerly gale that blew all the water out of the sounds, couldn't believe I made it through the Little Mud River at the lowest water I've ever seen, I definitely plowed a furrow thru there...

Yeah, both Karl C and Efraim are quite the sailors, all right... I've had the pleasure of meeting Efraim, but not yet Karl...
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Jon! there is a Emergency rudder aboard right?
Afraid not... The ONLY spares aboard this boat are a Yanmar impeller, and a few Racor filters... (grin)

This boat is truly bare, NOTHING aboard, no dinghy, liferaft (brought along my own), nada... I've had to bring everything but the kitchen sink along with me on this one... Not only will I be driving back home instead of flying, instead of a rental car, I may have to rent a U-Haul truck to schlep all my crap back... (grin)
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In this attachment are details how CG designed, built and operated an emergency tiller for a power boat:
Coast Guard crewmembers aid disabled boat off Big Island - Hawaii News Now - KGMB and KHNL
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Has anyone seen something like this, designed for a sailboat? There are a number of variables that would need to be calculated but a unit like this would be easily stowed and could be used if all else failed. Boat speed would be considerably reduced but by adjusting the angle of attack, could be regulated.
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Just so everyone knows, Jim (the rudderless wanderer) has flown to St Lucia and bought another boat, a 2000, Bavaria 38 named Out Of Sight and registered in Canada.
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Re: Rudder lost at sea and rescue

It is so easy to build a massive overkill in a rudder and skeg that there is no reason for them to fail.

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Just so everyone knows, Jim (the rudderless wanderer) has flown to St Lucia and bought another boat, a 2000, Bavaria 38 named Out Of Sight and registered in Canada.
Hmmm, I suppose I could make a smartass remark about his switch to a brand where the KEEL might be more apt to fall off instead of the rudder... but I won't... (grin)

Just curious, any idea whether his insurance company has already paid out? On a boat that is very likely still afloat and intact, and probably making her way slowly towards the Caribbean?

If so, that's damn good service, I have many neighbors whose homes were destroyed in Sandy, who are still waiting for settlements from their insurers...
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