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Re: Catalina 42 ... Why not?

Pretty much every modern furling mast i have seen has a second slot for a storm sail and as i have seen plenty of normal sails a LOT worse off when used in winds that require that 3rd reef point

The strom tri would seem to be a prudent piece of gear on any offshore voyage and any type of mast
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Re: Catalina 42 ... Why not?

All good points (I still remain skeptical from some experience with/ref in mast furling...)...
...but my other issue is with a wing keel...

A good salesman at the Miami Boat Show has me just about convinced I should go with a wing keel as first choice (fin keel was my original first choice)...

I like the shallower draft wing keel for coastal US, Keys and Bahamas and not too worried about 'loss of upwind performance' in a C42 as the owner reports indicate they do quite well with wing keel.....

BUT - how much more difficult is it to unstick a wing keel from a grounding vs a fin keel AND - the shallower draft of the wing affords less 'protection' for the rudder vs the deeper fin.

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Are you sure you want to turn this into a wing vs fin keel debate? I think you may be better off reading a few thousand existing posts on the subject rather than rehashing it here. (In the end I don't think you will have a clear answer anyway).
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Are you sure you want to turn this into a wing vs fin keel debate? I think you may be better off reading a few thousand existing posts on the subject rather than rehashing it here. (In the end I don't think you will have a clear answer anyway).
Well sure, why not...??? There's usually at least couple new perspectives in any good ole' rehash

Fin keel vs wing keel for coastal US, Bahamas, Keys, Caribbean and maybe a crossing or two.....

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OK...

The only people that will tell you that a wing keel works as well as a fin keel are people that own a wing keel, or have one to sell. If you don't care about upwind performance a wing keel will serve you just fine. Even on the Chesapeake Bay, (lots of shallow water) I glad a have a fin keel and I don't feel like the 6' 8" draft is a problem at all. The boats I used to race on usually had approximately 10' drafts, and one was 14' 6'. The point is that I think 6' 8" really aint that deep. (But many will probably disagree.)
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OK...

The only people that will tell you that a wing keel works as well as a fin keel are people that own a wing keel, or have one to sell. If you don't care about upwind performance a wing keel will serve you just fine. Even on the Chesapeake Bay, (lots of shallow water) I glad a have a fin keel and I don't feel like the 6' 8" draft is a problem at all. The boats I used to race on usually had approximately 10' drafts, and one was 14' 6'. The point is that I think 6' 8" really aint that deep. (But many will probably disagree.)
I agree with Steve on this one even as a wing keel owner. I also hold the humble opinion that 6'5" is not excessive draft for a 42' boat, even on the Chesapeake. Heck, a First 36.7 draws over 7 feet.

Wing keels are a compromise and while they will perform "ok", they never out perform the same boat with a fin. I've only owned wing keel boats, and both of them exhibited fairly strong weather helm sooner than I would have expected. The fin keeled boats I crewed on seemed to have a bit more tolerance as the winds built. I'll tell you my boat sails ok and no worse than the many other shoal draft boats here on the bay, but if I could have the same boat with a fin, I'd take it.

Re: the grounding issue I feel the argument is both overblown and there is a corollary in that I believe, based on my experience, that a wing keel is likely easier to unstick if you run around while motoring since its broad bottom tends to bounce/skip rather than dig a groove. I've found the bottom many times poking around the creeks off the Chessy, and have always managed to manuver off fairly easily. Now if you sail yourself aground, I agree the wing might make life more difficult.
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Re: Catalina 42 ... Why not?

Everyone makes such a big deal over wing vs fin. I have a question regarding the two, how much higher will a fin point? How much faster is a fin?

Of course the answer, if there can really be one, will be approximate since every boat is different.

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Re: Catalina 42 ... Why not?

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Everyone makes such a big deal over wing vs fin. I have a question regarding the two, how much higher will a fin point? How much faster is a fin?

Of course the answer, if there can really be one, will be approximate since every boat is different.

Thanks in advance

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Take a look at the PHRF ratings to get an idea of the relative difference.

A C36 fin is roughly 15-20 seconds a mile faster than a wing keel C36 as rated by PHRF of the Chesapeake.
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Re: Catalina 42 ... Why not?

In a slight rum haze....but can we 'convert' that to ' x percent faster'...?
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Re: Catalina 42 ... Why not?

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Take a look at the PHRF ratings to get an idea of the relative difference.

A C36 fin is roughly 15-20 seconds a mile faster than a wing keel C36 as rated by PHRF of the Chesapeake.
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In a slight rum haze....but can we 'convert' that to ' x percent faster'...?
Hmm, when cruising you're not going to be constantly tweaking sails to wring every last ounce out of her so the difference is -- drum-roll please -- negligible!

Offshore you may see some difference in leeway, in the Bahamas and Florida the draft may make a difference depending on where you go. Hell, where I'm sailing 10 feet feels like deep water.

It's a boat. Everything is a trade-off. It depends on where and how you want to sail her.
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