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(I usually stay at the South Jersey Marina and eat at the Lobster House which is close by.)
Lucky Bones is excellent. My friend is a local, he only takes me there.
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Re: Norfolk, VA to Boston delivery

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Norfolk to Block Island to Hyannis to Cape Cod canal
If needed, stop by Cape May or Sandy Hook to LIS.
If going outside why fool with Block or the Cape Cod canal? Go out and around.

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Like other said, use 5 kn per hours or 120 nm a day is a good number to judge your traveling time.
Units are important. Don't denigrate them. Knots are nautical miles per hour. Therefor knots/hour are nautical miles per hour per hour or units of acceleration. Meaningless in this context. The same applies to those who confuse amps and amp-hrs. Units are IMPORTANT.

Furlongs per fortnight make more sense than knots per hour. Please understand this stuff. It is important.

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From there I'd recommend Barnegat, then up to NY harbor...(I detest Atlantic City, and Manasquan is distinctly unaccommodating to sailboats)
Can you elaborate? The First 38 draws nearly 7' if I can use Google correctly. I had a heck of a time with a shoal draft Passport 40 in Barnegat recently. The marina on the North side of the Manasquan channel (Hoffman?) right before the railroad bridge is fine and the fuel dock is on the t-head. In and out isn't bad at all. I agree they don't really understand sailboats (or weather for that matter) so I wouldn't plan to stay there, but as a fuel stop it seems more attractive to me than Barnegat.

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If going outside why fool with Block or the Cape Cod canal? Go out and around.
I have never gone around Cape Cod. I am perfectly happy just to skip Chesapeake bay, Cape May, and Sandy Hook.

There is no law saying that you must go out all the way to Greenland. Who is minding my business.

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Units are important. Don't denigrate them. Knots are nautical miles per hour. Therefor knots/hour are nautical miles per hour per hour or units of acceleration. Meaningless in this context. The same applies to those who confuse amps and amp-hrs. Units are IMPORTANT.
Yes, my bad. I don't know why I typed kn/h. I actually paused, but somehow I forgot to come back to proofread it. I am sure everyone know what it meant. I didn't expect someone will ever care.
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Re: Norfolk, VA to Boston delivery

I brought my 35 footer home to Mystic from Florida a number of years ago. We came in at Beaufort, NC and stayed inside for a while with a stop at Annapolis. The trip up the Chesapeake included a harbor of refuge at Pt. Lookout. Beating past the Potomac in NW winds in the upper 30 kt range got old real fast. Yes, you do want to consider the wind forecast. With a new boat, you might want the Chesapeake for a proper shakedown, as someone else mentioned. Annapolis is a good place to look for repair parts. I got a new belt for my AP there.

From Annapolis, we went through the C&D Canal and then to the Cape May canal. From Cape May we went directly past Montauk and into Fishers Island Sound. In your case, you would head for Block Island and give yourself a break. From there I would head for Buzzard's Bay. Depending on your endurance, you could stop at Cuttyhunk (short day) or Onset just outside the western end of the Cape Cod Canal if you needed to wait for a fair current.

Going outside Cape Cod instead of the Canal? SVAuspicious can't be serious. You do need Eldridge's to work the currents. from Block Island until you get past the Cape Cod Canal.

I made the trip from Cape May to Mystic in 2 1/2 days in mid May and motored the whole way, due to light air. The shipping was not the problem I expected, but you do need competent watch standers.
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Re: Norfolk, VA to Boston delivery

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Can you elaborate? The First 38 draws nearly 7' if I can use Google correctly. I had a heck of a time with a shoal draft Passport 40 in Barnegat recently. The marina on the North side of the Manasquan channel (Hoffman?) right before the railroad bridge is fine and the fuel dock is on the t-head. In and out isn't bad at all. I agree they don't really understand sailboats (or weather for that matter) so I wouldn't plan to stay there, but as a fuel stop it seems more attractive to me than Barnegat.

Please educate me.
You had a hard time in Barnegat Inlet and the anchorage ( Meyers Hole 1 and 2). Thats where we usually anchor, It is just past the channel leading back into Barnegat Bay on the starboard after transiting the back of the inlet.

The channe lmarked by small reds and greens past the first anchorage goes back toHigh Bar Yacht Club where we have also stayed and usually carries 8-10 feet back to the second anchorage. That is our normal stop over on our trip up the Jersey coast to the LI Sound every summer. Did some of it shoal in from Sandy? W took a trip there on land and it didnt look like they got much in the way of damage. Barnegat Bay areas did though I understand.

Dave did it change?

For those who have never done Barnegat, it can be a tricky inlet unless you know what you are getting into when you are going in it and can be dangerous in NE and E winds.

Manesquan( Cape May and AtlanticCity ) is one of the three good Jersey inlets we have found in terms of getting in. Virtually no shoals alongside the way in creating breakers across the channel. There is no anchorage area, Dave is correct on Hoffmans for overnighting at the bridge and also the fuel dock there. Face the current at the fuel dock as its fairly strong there. There also is a nice Marina after the first two bridges also. We generally aviod Manequan and going north push on to Atlantic Highlands.

We always stay at Utches so we can walk to everything, besides they are family friends of 30 years now when I used to live in the South Jersey area.

Luck Bones is a fairly good restaurant within walking distance. Lobster House inside is a tourist trap, but the outside take out deck is cool and the fresh fish market cannot be beat for avriety, price and freshness. Our next meal is at achorage heading north ( Usually barnegat) and its always a nicely grilled fish steak from there.

However three of the best restaurants in New Jersey are in Cape May proper.
The Ebbit Room in the Virginia Hotel, 410 Bank Street, and Frescos. The last two are owned by the same people and are next to each other. Fescos is Nnorthern Italian cuisine. Also the beats breakfast is at the Mad Batter...try their blueberry banana stuffed french toast with vermont maple syrup for decadence.
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Re: Norfolk, VA to Boston delivery

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If going outside why fool with Block or the Cape Cod canal? Go out and around.
I don't know, Dave - someone comes here asking "how long is the trip?", and "where are some good places to stop?", and sounding like they may never have done an overnight passage before, well... I'm not sure I'd be too comfortable sending them out and around Nantucket Shoals, and outside the Cape... (grin)

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From there I'd recommend Barnegat, then up to NY harbor...(I detest Atlantic City, and Manasquan is distinctly unaccommodating to sailboats)

Can you elaborate? The First 38 draws nearly 7' if I can use Google correctly. I had a heck of a time with a shoal draft Passport 40 in Barnegat recently. The marina on the North side of the Manasquan channel (Hoffman?) right before the railroad bridge is fine and the fuel dock is on the t-head. In and out isn't bad at all. I agree they don't really understand sailboats (or weather for that matter) so I wouldn't plan to stay there, but as a fuel stop it seems more attractive to me than Barnegat.

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You may be right, I thought the First 38 was also offered in a shoal draft closer to 5.5', but who knows what he's bought?

I'll admit, I haven't been in Barnegat post-Sandy, but since the big scallop boats are still operating out of Barnegat Light, I'd imagine getting his boat inside to the anchorage would be do-able... Where did you have your problem, exactly?

My recommendation is based somewhat on the assumption that he'd likely stop in Cape May, and from there AC is a pretty short day, and Manasquan a pretty long one, so... You're right, if he's just making a pit stop for fuel, then Manasquan is probably preferable, certainly a quicker in and out...
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Re: Norfolk, VA to Boston delivery

If you do decide to go outside and it gets snotty remember deep water is your friend.

I would be VERY reluctant to run an unfamiliar inlet. If you feel you HAVE TO then there is no shame in asking for someone to pilot you in. I remember well having to enter at Cape Fear and although it was buoyed and one of the easier inlets I was VERY glad that I called up a passing shrimper and he slowed down to let me follow him in. [ and he threw a lb of shrimp into my cockpit. Me and the cat were well fed before I slept that night.

If in doubt stay out.
Too many boats and lives have been lost trying to run an inlet in less than optimum conditions.
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Re: Norfolk, VA to Boston delivery

Have i missed something because NORFOLK VA TO BOSTON MA is more like 600 miles ?
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Re: Norfolk, VA to Boston delivery

If you're buying the boat in Annapolis and taking it to Norfolk for some work, then from Norfolk to Boston. I don't know if I'd go back up the bay to the Delaware after heading down.

As Rich says this is a trip at that time of year that will be dictated largely by the weather
(aren't they all? ) So as jsaronson says, I'd consider my option to look at going offshore to Block island..or making a jump to Cape May then on to block. Then up toward the cc canal.

Another alternative is to head to the Highlands from Cape May and then make a decision from there whether or not you want to stay inside or go outside to block.

There's a dozen ways to do this trip...level of experience, weather, crew, soundness of vessel are all going to be deciding factors. If you go outside from norfolk, you'll be out of VHF range at points for anything but nearby traffic, certainly out of cell phone range, so long range communication would be prudent if not essential. as would life raft, epirb etc.

Were you planning on having someone who has offshore experience onboard? The overnight from Norfolk to Cape May might be a good test of your offshore tolerance. ( weather permitting)
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Re: Norfolk, VA to Boston delivery

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Uhhh, HYANNIS???

I'm guessing you mean somewhere else, right? (grin)
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