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Re: Courtesy Flags

.......if the vessel is registered in US, she will fly US flag at the stern, skippers nationality doesn't matter.
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Jackdale, we are talking FREEDOM 32 !
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On the subject of flags...scenario: a British captain in an American boat. Where should the Red Ensign be flown? I think half way up the backstay is acceptable, as is the starboard spreader (above the club burgee). Clearly off the flagpole would be unacceptable. Thoughts?

https://www.sailonline.com/seamanshi...flag-etiquette
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so where are all these rules written for those of us who do not know?

very surprised I guess, that a courtesy flag would go above your own countries flag.
Don't know that these are "rules" for pleasure vessels so much as they are guidelines and customs.

Although the courtesy flag on a spreader is technically higher in elevation than one's own country flag, the flag of origin is flown from the position of highest honor, typically the stern of a sailboat.

These things are spelled out on the US Power Squadron web site as well as other places around the net.

I think most of the customs go back to the British Navy's early days.
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You fly your country flag at the stern of the boat.
I see, much to learn. I have time my "trailer queen" won't be needing any flags anytime soon. LOL Always good to know though.

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Re: Courtesy Flags

You might mount a padeye on the starboard side of the mast to attach a flag halyard.

Other Freedom 32 owners may a more creative solution.
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Re: Courtesy Flags

Chapman's of course has lots of material on flags.

While the proper use of burgees is a matter of tradition and etiquette, the Q and courtesy flags are a more serious matter.
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Chapman's of course has lots of material on flags.

While the proper use of burgees is a matter of tradition and etiquette, the Q and courtesy flags are a more serious matter.
Not trying to split hairs but I am not aware of any formal requirement for pleasure vessels to fly flags or even maintain a flag other than as a visual distress signal.

Last time I re-entered US waters I read the CBP reporting criteria and there was no flag flying requirement, there was a requirement to report with the vessel at specified locations.

Again, not being argumentative but if I am wrong I am always open to learning something new.
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Re: Courtesy Flags

Guess we can ignore this, then, those silly Customs and Revenue folks:

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Sailing your pleasurecraft to and from the United Kingdom

3.1 Do I need to fly the yellow ‘Q’ flag?
If you are arriving directly from another EU Member State there is no need to fly the ‘Q’ flag.

If you are arriving from outside the EU (and this includes the Channel Islands) you must fly the ‘Q’ flag, where it can readily be seen, as soon as you enter UK waters (the 12 mile limit). Do not take down the flag until you have finished reporting to the customs authorities, as described in sub-section 3.2 Failure to comply will make you liable to a penalty.
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Guess we can ignore this, then, those silly Customs and Revenue folks:

HM Revenue & Customs

Sailing your pleasurecraft to and from the United Kingdom

3.1 Do I need to fly the yellow ‘Q’ flag?
If you are arriving directly from another EU Member State there is no need to fly the ‘Q’ flag.

If you are arriving from outside the EU (and this includes the Channel Islands) you must fly the ‘Q’ flag, where it can readily be seen, as soon as you enter UK waters (the 12 mile limit). Do not take down the flag until you have finished reporting to the customs authorities, as described in sub-section 3.2 Failure to comply will make you liable to a penalty.
Wouldn't ignore it. Like I said, not trying to bunch your drawers up in a knot. The US Customs and Border Protection is not interested in flags as far as I can tell. The Bahamian customs office refers to it as a custom as well, not a requirement with penalties for failing to comply.
Poking around after reading the thread it looks as though there are still several countries where the Q is the law of the land until cleared.

** edited to add this from the HMRC site*** "This notice is not the law. It is HMRC’s view of the law and nothing in this notice takes the place of the law."
And I agree, Chapmans is the way to go for info on flying the flags.
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