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Single Berth 40' ers? Where are you now?

Can anyone think of a post 1980 boat that has 3-4 SINGLE berths in addition to a double V?

I know of Pearson 40, C&C 40 Tartan 41, but these all seem older IOR boats.

Do any more modern designs in the 38-41' range follow this layout or did everything go the way of cabins R US for chartering?
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Re: Single Berth 40' ers? Where are you now?

J/boats have plenty of singles. C7C 37/40R too. Take a look through the Sailboatdata site. When transoms got wider after the demise of the IOR, designers put doubles in back there because it was a/possible b/cheap c/ light and d/ appealed to consumers who spend their nights in marinas. You may find more singles in racing-oriented boats, like J/boats, and blue-water boats like Hallberg-Rassey.
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Re: Single Berth 40' ers? Where are you now?

Do you know the approx date IOR became less of an influence?

My favorite layout is the Tartan 41 with two open SINGLES at the back, but I can't find a more modern equivalent.
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Re: Single Berth 40' ers? Where are you now?

What would you class C&C as? I don't really know much about them.

I am researching a Caribbean cruising boat
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Re: Single Berth 40' ers? Where are you now?

Some versions of the Hinckley Bermuda 40 possibly. They are fairly narrow and I recall being on one that had 4 singles in the main cabin two at seat level on each side and two above. Sort of where a shelf would be otherwise.
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Re: Single Berth 40' ers? Where are you now?

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Do you know the approx date IOR became less of an influence?
IOR declined following the '79 Fastnet disaster, where IOR-design extremes were indicted as less-than-seaworthy designs. At the same time, the overall sailing and sailboat racing market nosedived in the recession and luxury tax debacle. Some, fun, fast, one design, dinghy-inspired, sport boats like the J/24 and West Coast-style surfing boats introduced in the 70s shifted the sailboat racing market from the heavier racer/cruiser designs to planing sportboats with asymetrical spinnakers. IOR was replaced by IRC, then IMS, and now by PHRF mixed fleet and one design keel boat racing, like the J/105s.

The sensible, traditional, seaworthy, cabin layout you favor - v-berth, simple head and hanging locker in the foc'sle, full bulkhead, pilot berths, cabin berths, navigation table, and quarterberths is found only on racing boats, and has now given way to the condominium layout favored by the picnic sailors - open cabin with prominent dining area, swivel chairs, enclosed spacious aft head with shower, claustrophobic double berth under the cockpit, and if the boat is large enough, double or triple cabins, for all your closest friends and relatives - perfect for motorsailing to the next raft up.

So why do some of us still like the boats built in the 70s and 80s, "tired" as they may be? ...or see a late '60s racer/cruiser like a Cal 40 smoke the fleet in an ocean race?
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Re: Single Berth 40' ers? Where are you now?

Right, you just hit the nail on the head James

Pearson 40, C&C 40, tartan 41, all are older boats and ones I have looked at.

I have three kids and am looking for a sub 40' boat with 3 singles and a double, and am struggling to do so!
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Re: Single Berth 40' ers? Where are you now?

I saw a Moody 41 (I think) that had a v-Berth (two singles) forward, a stateroom with two singles (upper & lower) opposite the head, a settee berth or two midships, and an owner's stateroom aft. It was a center cockpit design, but not built like a skyscraper. Build quality is relatively good and draft not too much IIRC. Don't know current prices, but worth looking to see if you can find one of them.
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Re: Single Berth 40' ers? Where are you now?

A couple of possibilities around 35 feet. Have a friend with a Moody, think it is 345. They have done a great job of fitting in berths, there are 2 double and 2 singles I think. Also some Niagara 35 Classics might do. They were built originally with 4 singles and sail bins/workbench in the forward cabin, but some were built with child size v-berth and some with an adult v-berth. Don't know how many of these variants were built but if you are interested I can put you in touch with someone who knows everything about these boats.
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Re: Single Berth 40' ers? Where are you now?

I have not looked at Moody's... I'll have to check them out. Thanks for the suggestion.
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