Thorny Path - Page 3 - SailNet Community
 19Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #21 of 32 Old 03-12-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Montreal, QC, Canada
Posts: 339
Thanks: 0
Thanked 14 Times in 13 Posts
Rep Power: 3
 
Re: Thorny Path

Using the south coast of Cuba to go to the Caribbean is only a option for US registered boats, when they have a non national on board. For he or she, is the only one allowed to spend money for provisioning purposes, repairs, and etc., while in anyone of the ports along the south coast.
This may be a touchy subject, but I always travel with alternatives.
sony2000 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #22 of 32 Old 03-12-2013
Puget Sound Pounder
 
kellysails's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Bainbridge Island, Port Madison, WA
Posts: 636
Thanks: 21
Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts
Rep Power: 7
 
Re: Thorny Path

Yet another interesting thread. Just ordered the Van Sant book. We will be making that passage in the next 4-5 years. Lots of time to plan.
kellysails is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #23 of 32 Old 03-12-2013
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 4,791
Thanks: 1
Thanked 200 Times in 165 Posts
Rep Power: 5
 
Re: Thorny Path

Quote:
Originally Posted by blowinstink View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockDAWG
I ordered the book yesterday. But it looks like we are taking to I65 route this time. We will see and remain flexible pending on the weather, soundness of the vessel and crews.
You said the boat is in Florida and you say you are planning to take "I-65".

How does that work???
Probably not very well, in most cases…

The best one could reasonably hope for, is a strategy mentioned by Don Street from south Florida…

Cross the Stream to West End or Lucaya, then wait for the arrival of a cold front… Sail down the NE Providence Channel, and ride the NW through NE progression as far east as you can… If you're lucky, you might be able to lay Puerto Rico by the time you're into the area of established trade winds, again…

I employed that strategy once sailing my own boat from Lauderdale to Harbour Island, Eleuthera... Rode the SW breeze in advance of the front across the Stream, the front arriving just as predicted just after passing Great Isaac... It was a strong front, however, and the ride that night down the NW Providence Channel was pretty boisterous... Still blew hard for two days after arriving at Harbour Island late the following afternoon, enough that I had to anchor up in the lee of the west side of the harbor for another day after arrival... Had I been attempting to go further east, that system would have carried me out pretty far - and would have resulted in a quick passage, but a rather rough and wet one...

I'm guessing the boat the OP is talking about, is the Out Island 41 he was considering delivering from Morehead City earlier in the winter… Definitely not my first choice, in the type of boat I'd want to have to beat from S. Florida out to the Eastern Caribbean… Using Steet's route, probably the best he can hope for is maybe being able to fetch Luperon or Ocean World...(grin)

Quote:
Originally Posted by billyruffn View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by chucklesR View Post
So, is there an alternate path for leaving Key West and heading to Cancun area for landfall, then going south on the coast ?
This is NOT a good way to get to the Eastern Caribbean, which is where those following the Thorny Path generally want to go.
On the other hand, if you'd prefer to cross the Stream in direct opposition to it, rather than perpendicular, bypass one of the Western Hemisphere's most beautiful cruising grounds, add perhaps 30% more distance to the amount of open water beating into the trades you'll have to do, and perhaps bring Haiti into play as a possible port of call/bailout point, well… then such a route could be a wonderful alternative… (grin)

Last edited by JonEisberg; 03-12-2013 at 07:32 PM.
JonEisberg is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #24 of 32 Old 03-13-2013 Thread Starter
美国华人, 帆船 教授及输送
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: MD
Posts: 2,531
Thanks: 24
Thanked 23 Times in 15 Posts
Rep Power: 9
 
Re: Thorny Path

Thanks Jon, I will think hard on your words for this trip. The weather predicts very light easterly wind from Sunday to Wednesday. We are thinking motor or motorsail all the way. Hopeful get to Virgins or PR.

What precautionary should I take if the wind starts blowing from the N or NE when we are east of "72 W"? I think it will good for us as long as I stay far from Lee shore.

Your comments is appreciated.


Fine Print:
I am old school. Integrity is to do the right thing even when no one is watching.
rockDAWG is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #25 of 32 Old 03-14-2013
Senior Member
 
Yorksailor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Tahiti and heading for Tonga and New Zealand.
Posts: 545
Thanks: 18
Thanked 26 Times in 23 Posts
Rep Power: 6
 
Re: Thorny Path

Keep sailing east on the northerlies, if you go south too early you get into the current running north and west.
Yorksailor is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #26 of 32 Old 03-14-2013
Puget Sound Pounder
 
kellysails's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Bainbridge Island, Port Madison, WA
Posts: 636
Thanks: 21
Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts
Rep Power: 7
 
Re: Thorny Path

My wife found this lighthearted blog of a sailboat that just arrived in Puerto Rico via the Thorny Path. Not a huge amount of technical detail but a very enjoyable read. They seemed to do it exactly right IMHO. Told the admiral to study up on their approach. Van Sant book arrives today.

The crossing entries starts on their blog on January 16th.

Forget the T-Shirt | Banyan
kellysails is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #27 of 32 Old 03-14-2013
Puget Sound Pounder
 
kellysails's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Bainbridge Island, Port Madison, WA
Posts: 636
Thanks: 21
Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts
Rep Power: 7
 
Re: Thorny Path

I do appreciate how they made great fun of a challenging passage. Particularly note that there was not a big rush for an aggressive passage. Very patient, which was something brought up earlier in the thread. They just waited for their weather windows and had fun while waiting it out. That would be the style that the admiral and I would do. Although the Bahamas likely won't work out for us due to our draft.

Last edited by kellysails; 03-14-2013 at 03:55 PM.
kellysails is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #28 of 32 Old 03-14-2013
Bristol 45.5 - AiniA
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 3,936
Thanks: 5
Thanked 99 Times in 87 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Re: Thorny Path

Quote:
Originally Posted by kellysails View Post
I do appreciate how they made great fun of a challenging passage. Particularly note that there was not a big rush for an aggressive passage. Very patient, which was something brought up earlier in the thread. They just waited for their weather windows and had fun while waiting it out. That would be the style that the admiral and I would do. Although the Bahamas likely won't work out for us due to our draft.
This is the attitude you need to have for cruising. You can call them delays or you can call them opportunities. We got stuck in Durban waiting for a window. The yacht club is in downtown Durban and not the nicest spot in the world, but still interesting - at least in day time.

Back home on Lake Ontario after something over 36,000 nm circumnavigator. Not surprisingly there is a lot of stuff I want to get done on Ainia both cosmetically and functionally. Getting an early start so it will be ready to go for next summer (Lake Superior?).
killarney_sailor is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #29 of 32 Old 03-19-2013
Puget Sound Pounder
 
kellysails's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Bainbridge Island, Port Madison, WA
Posts: 636
Thanks: 21
Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts
Rep Power: 7
 
Re: Thorny Path

Received Van Sant's book a few days ago, and I can't put it down. Now that's how to take the thorns out of the thorny path. A great read. And I see that while a seven foot draft is not optimal in the Bahamas, it is doable.

I do wonder how to get down below 12 degrees latitude by June 1 using his methodology. It would be a fairly rapid cruise through the Caribbean to make it. I suppose one could start cruising the Caribbean in detail the following season. That makes sense I guess.

Last edited by kellysails; 03-19-2013 at 04:18 PM.
kellysails is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #30 of 32 Old 03-19-2013
Bristol 45.5 - AiniA
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 3,936
Thanks: 5
Thanked 99 Times in 87 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Re: Thorny Path

We went the I65 route so the time constraints were different, but we decided to go south quickly with only brief stops on the way to Grenada. We took our time coming north.

Back home on Lake Ontario after something over 36,000 nm circumnavigator. Not surprisingly there is a lot of stuff I want to get done on Ainia both cosmetically and functionally. Getting an early start so it will be ready to go for next summer (Lake Superior?).
killarney_sailor is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Family ties prove thorny for Tierney - Boston.com NewsReader News Feeds 0 11-28-2011 12:10 PM
Conferences offer timely opportunity to tackle thorny issues NewsReader News Feeds 0 11-10-2011 08:20 PM
florida to bvi's via thorny path NALANI13 Caribbean 1 06-20-2011 01:35 PM
Sam, Your in the path waltward General Discussion (sailing related) 3 09-17-2003 12:23 PM
Daysailing the Thorny Path Tom Wood Cruising Articles 0 02-26-2001 07:00 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome