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Re: Popularity of center cockpits?

My boat had (sold it...) two heads. The major benfits with two heads is that the toilets do break. I think I must have gone thru 2-3 pump assemblies per toilet over 1 year of cruising.

Now, when (not if) the toilet breaks, it will do so at a time when you least are able to (or feel like) fixing it. If you have two heads, just use the other one until such time that you can fix the broken one.

Use the smaller head as storage when not having guests,
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Re: Popularity of center cockpits?

I used to be a staunch single-head advocate, for the reasons outlined by chef2sail, but that was before I actually bought at boat. I think two heads really shine when you have a crewmember who is sick (seasickness or otherwise). They may be in the head for hours at a time, and other crewmembers need to use the facilities (or are themselves sick). I also like the idea of a backup head as jorgenl mentioned. For my next boat, I'm going to be looking for a substantial master head with stall shower, and a very tiny second head.

For my next boat, I'm also probably looking for a center cockpit. I live aboard, and both girlfriends I've had while living aboard have hated my V-berth. I can't say I'm a huge fan either, but I don't mind too much. A true queen size (rectangular!) bed is a must in my next boat, as is more stowage in the bedroom. Those features tend to go hand in hand with CC, unless it's a very large or very new boat. I also like the engine access, and the removal of the need to winterize the engine (for living aboard, it will be surrounded by warm air and thus won't freeze).
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We have 2.5 bathrooms in my home. With a family of 4, it is surprising how often all the bathrooms are full. My wife and I rented a 1 bathroom apartment years ago, and again, it was surprising how often we "competed" for use of the bathroom. If you are going to live aboard, 2 heads makes a lot of sense to me, unless you are alone.
Understood. I am sure they dont spend as much time in the headof a boat as a teenager does in a bathroom at home. Your situation is different than mine though, It is just my wife and I now...the kids are in their 30s. She and I dont "compete" for a bathroom or spend extrodinary times on a boat in it either.

Right now our longest cruise has been for almost 4 weeks to Long Island and Marthas Vineyard. When we retire and cruise for long distance and maybe 5 months in a stretch, I dont think we will need an extra bathroom. If I had a choice of an extra head or two nice comfortable barrel chairs in my salon that I could relax in and read and stretch out in, that an easy choice. If all we can find are two head boats...one is sure to be converted.

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My boat had (sold it...) two heads. The major benfits with two heads is that the toilets do break. I think I must have gone thru 2-3 pump assemblies per toilet over 1 year of cruising.

Now, when (not if) the toilet breaks, it will do so at a time when you least are able to (or feel like) fixing it. If you have two heads, just use the other one until such time that you can fix the broken one.

Use the smaller head as storage when not having guests,
Understood.

So carry two dinghys, two dinghy engines, two engines, two alternators, two stoves, just like Noah....because one for sure will break. Sorry not buying it, carrying repair kits makes sense. Creating a room for the eventuality something will break and it will doesnt make sense to me. A second head because you have two couples, or always have a lot of guests along.... makes some sense. Two people cruising with two heads...wasted space and tankage.

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Re: Popularity of center cockpits?

If you have a head that suffers from frequent pump failures carry spare pumps, not just rebuild kits - then it's a 10 min. job and FAR less disgusting.

Either that or get a better quality head.

However, it's long been known that two heads are better than one.
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Re: Popularity of center cockpits?

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Nah Dave, it's more about I don't quests going through my bedroom to get to the bathroom, that's why it's nice to have an alternative.

Remember, it's a home (or will be).
I don't care for quest in my bedroom either. Must have some private space. The forward head is often used for storage and wet locker when needed. Like some I to wish it was by the companion way everything is a compromise.

I also have the same opinion on motion comfort. Point higher to the wind or more heel works for me.

I must admit I did look at a number of larger boats I loved that were aft cockpit. However, The admiral did not like the berth's, so I could either get a nice cabin with ceiling room or stay on shore. I choose to sail.

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Re: Popularity of center cockpits?

A lot of good advice and things to consider. I really appreciate the time and effort people have taken to respond.

Has anyone seen the new 45 ft beneteau oceanis or sense? Gorgeous boats. Maybe my wife can overlook the lack of headroom in the oceanis or the lack of rear births in the sense......
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BTW there is no perfect boat unless you build your own.
Is that why those that build their own constantly babble on about their next boat?
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Re: Popularity of center cockpits?

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If you have a head that suffers from frequent pump failures carry spare pumps, not just rebuild kits - then it's a 10 min. job and FAR less disgusting.

Either that or get a better quality head.

However, it's long been known that two heads are better than one.
Absolutely, I carried pump assemblies for that reason. still a messy job...
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Understood.

So carry two dinghys, two dinghy engines, two engines, two alternators, two stoves, just like Noah....because one for sure will break. Sorry not buying it, carrying repair kits makes sense. Creating a room for the eventuality something will break and it will doesnt make sense to me. A second head because you have two couples, or always have a lot of guests along.... makes some sense. Two people cruising with two heads...wasted space and tankage.

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Yep, unless you do not have a Y-valve for pumping directly overboard and are stuck with a macerator pump. My last boat must have been built around the aft macerator pump. Takes several hours and bleeding knuckles to replace. ;-)
So, when macerator breaks you have no means of emptying holding tank.
Use the second head.

Now, I'm talking about off-shore, bahamas and the carribean where it is legal to dump and no pump out stations are available.
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