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Re: Thinking of removing my traveler. Thoughts?

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In restoring my Paceship29, I noted other boats control of the boom without travelers. This picture is an updated 70s style control, from off the end of the boom. Then trying the same on the Paceship.
There's no 'traveller' function with the setup pictured here.. you can dispense with a traveller if you have two separately controllable sheets in that configuration, but it's a relative PITA to use. Some Niagaras and C&Cs used the dual sheet setup mid boom to the cabin top that way.

It works but you've got two piles of mainsheet tail in the cockpit and when you're trying to set up proper angle of attack and luff tension it's always two sheets to set up.
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Re: Thinking of removing my traveler. Thoughts?

get rid of it
it is realy only used in racing to give the sail twist by bringing the car to windward.It is a pain in the butt where it is placed evoking cursewords from those who go down below
use your vang and move the end of the mainsheet to the cabintop or the back of the boom
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Re: Thinking of removing my traveler. Thoughts?

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get rid of it
it is realy only used in racing to give the sail twist by bringing the car to windward.It is a pain in the butt where it is placed evoking cursewords from those who go down below
use your vang and move the end of the mainsheet to the cabintop or the back of the boom
lmao, only in racing... priceless. Same goes for low stretch line right?
Or only when people want to properly shape the main.
One can say things like "I'm a cruiser" or "I don't race" to make excuses for being a poor sailor, or they can learn how to trim sails properly.

Do not get rid of the traveler. Fix it and replace the line.
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Re: Thinking of removing my traveler. Thoughts?

Thanks folks. All kinds of great info. Definitely a lot to think about, and try.

Adjustable cam cleat, eh? Well I'll be... Next thing you'll tell me, my all-fabric forestay unrolls into a jib!
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Re: Thinking of removing my traveler. Thoughts?

Why don't you just try it? it looks like tying your main sheet block to the ring is a 30 second affair. Just check how that ring is mounted first.

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Here's a picture of my traveler (I think...hopefully there's a picture down there.)

That block on the side of the cockpit (the seatback) is all messed up, and moving the traveler basically requires sliding it over by hand, and feeding the line as it goes. So my first thought was to replace the blocks. I also considered some other solutions that might make the whole thing work easier while reducing the footprint, for example blocks at the ends of the track.

But now I'm thinking about taking the whole thing off, including the track, and securing the mainsheet to that ring between the winch handle pockets (holding the transmission lever in the photo.) My typical sail shaping is somewhat rudimentary, just tightening here and there to make the luff and the telltales look right. I don't do any racing and will rarely get more than 25 miles from home (which means, never leaving the Chesapeake.) I'm almost exclusively weekend sailing. To be honest, the most important thing I do with the traveler is get the sheet out of the way of the companionway.

On the other hand, just pinning the sheet in the center would open up some seating options in the cockpit, and would keep things simple.

Unless there's some major performance issue I'm not aware of, the biggest potential drawback might be a future buyer who is disappointed that the boat doesn't have a traveler.

I'd love to hear some opinions. Will I not point as well? Can good use of the boom vang make up for a stationary mainsheet? Under what scenario would I regret not having a traveler?

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Re: Thinking of removing my traveler. Thoughts?

You could also install a padeye on the cockpit sole. We used a fixed Wichard for our sheet, but a folding eye would be less underfoot. It would serve for your mainsheet experiment, plus additional harness tie-in. Or a place to clip water bottles. Always nice to have more clip points on a boat. If your traveler setup stinks, you won't use it. If you don't use it, better off to have a fixed mainsheet.

It's nice if you can decouple boom downforce from sheeting angle, which is what a traveler does for you, but lots of people get by w/out. Dumping the mainsheet during gusts on larger boats is simply not feasible. Way too much force. On small boats, we have that option. As someone notes above, tho, easing the main actually increases sail draft, and then your leech twists off & starts flogging. At that point, probably best to reef the main & steer to the puffs.
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Re: Thinking of removing my traveler. Thoughts?

Just my opinion. If it was my boat I would do it the way Denise030 shows. Exactly that way.

You'll be able to keep the traveler sheet in your hand if you are sailing in heavy weather to dump the sail all while trimming back the main. Also, just for the "light air" sailing benefit alone, keep and use a traveler. Also, it disperses the load and makes trimming the sail easier.

If you never want to worry about it again, and maintain some of the re-sale value, buy a brand new traveler set up like in Denise030's picture. If you do that, see if you can measure the existing holes and see if Garhuer or whoever is making it can get that template or something close, therefore installing it would be easier.

I understand the argument to simplify and that it'll sail without the traveler, but every time you get frustrated because your sailboat isn't performing or cooperating like it should, you'll regret 'making things simpler'

Also, I would not allow the load pressure from a mainsheet to pull on that little two-bolt ring.
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