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Shamwari2 03-12-2013 09:39 PM

new California tax?
 
We have been told that if a Canadian sailboat is in California on January 1st that it will be taxed 1% of it's value or a lien will be put on it. Does anyone know anything about this?

paul323 03-12-2013 10:10 PM

Re: new California tax?
 
First I heard of it - you should consider calling a few brokers and see it they know anything. Then let us know :-)

GeorgeB 03-12-2013 10:27 PM

Re: new California tax?
 
The 1% is the California State personal property tax. The rate is fixed by the state, but the tax is collected by the county. Where the boat is located on January 1st determines which county collects the tax.

hellosailor 03-12-2013 10:52 PM

Re: new California tax?
 
A personal property tax normally is applied only to personal property owned by a citizen or resident of the taxing jurisdiction. The OP didn't say anything about residency, he said a Canadian boat, which would imply a Canadian-flagged vessel in transit visiting California waters under a cruising permit, and exempt from all local taxes.

Unless the OP forgot to mention something.

mad_machine 03-12-2013 11:39 PM

Re: new California tax?
 
I hope they mean if the boat has been in the state for a certain amount of time. As cash strapped as Cali is though.. I can see them making a grab for any amount of money.. even if the boat has only been in state a week

windward54 03-13-2013 11:27 AM

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California collects personal property tax on every boat that resides in the State, regardless of residency. So if the boat is docked or moored in California on January 1st, and has been there over 90 days, you get a tax bill. Of course the dock walkers will assume any boat that they see has been there longer then the 90 days and the local county will send a bill. The owner then has to appeal.

overbored 03-13-2013 11:44 AM

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You can appeal but the bill must be paid first before they will hear the appeal

hellosailor 03-13-2013 11:48 AM

Re: new California tax?
 
Windward, foreign-flagged boats, which have been allowed into the US on a limited cruising permit, are exempted from US state vessel registration and taxation laws, AFAIK.

To discuss a "Canadian" boat, which ordinarily means Canadian-flagged and present in the US under a federal cruising permit, as if it were a domestic vessel, is misleading at best. I'd be certain that California can't tax foreigners or foreign vessels that way, the States are legally barred from doing many things when it comes to foreign people and places. And vessels.

Some nimrod with a summons pad might issue one, but who's he going to issue it to? A Canadian national that he can't enforce a summons on?

All pointless if the OP doesn't come back and fill in the rest of the blanks.

chucklesR 03-13-2013 11:54 AM

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How exactly would they put a lien on a boat that doesn't have a state registration on it, just a (in this case) set of Canadian numbers - or in the case of (for example) my USCG boat that does not display state numbers, just a sticker saying I paid my Maryland registration?

I mean, they have no name, no address etc..

overbored 03-13-2013 12:01 PM

Re: new California tax?
 
in any county run marina you are not going to get a slip unless the boat registration, insurance and users ID match up so they will have a place to send you the bill. also will be responsible for the property tax on the slip you are now renting from the county. this is all disclosed when you sign up for a slip. this does not apply to overnight stays less then 90 days.


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