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I was more referring to the original video showing the larger ship overtaking the smaller until the smaller turned infront.. Somewhere, on both those ships, there had to be a pair of eyes topside
I think the collision spun the forward boat around.

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I think the collision spun the forward boat around.
Definitely... the overtaking vessel struck the smaller ship's quarter and she was forced around..could have been the first they were aware of the larger ship aft - there seemed no avoidance efforts prior to that.

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Looks like the smaller ship turned to port when it should turn to starboard. Sounds like both ships were sounding their horns but none took evasive action.

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Re: Ship collision - that is going to leave a mark

Some tine ago a Merchant ship captain explained to me that a loaded ship needs a considerable time to change course. I knew that they need a considerable time to stop, like 10nm if they don't put the engines in reverse but did not have any idea that it was needed a lot of time to change course.

If that was the case it can explain why it seems that nobody is doing anything. Maybe they are (we can see that the "aggressor" has its engines in reverse). Maybe he was also trying to change course.

Somebody knows anything about the needed time for a ship to change course?


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After watching this, it looks like the smaller ship tried to pass the larger one and them turn across his bow in order to avoid the ship crossing ahead. I think only after the smaller one turned did the situation become dangerous. This would explane the lack of danger signals until just before impact. Hot Rod freighter driver?
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After watching this, it looks like the smaller ship tried to pass the larger one and them turn across his bow in order to avoid the ship crossing ahead. I think only after the smaller one turned did the situation become dangerous. This would explane the lack of danger signals until just before impact. Hot Rod freighter driver?
I don't think so. I guess this guy is correct except in what regards turning left. I guess the pilot on the smaller boat had the rudder hard to the right:

"Beks Halil was obviously overrunning the smaller vessel, but at a very close distance, dangerously close (most probably because bulk carrier couldn’t take more to the left because of the opposite traffic). To make things worse, the smaller vessel suddenly started to turn left."

Bulk Carrier and Cargo Ship Collide in the Straits of Singapore | Officer of the Watch

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Bulker collision in the Straits of Singapore.

On this longer video we can see that they had a Ship forward so the big ship has not a big space to overtake the smaller one. Stupid accident



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PCP, can't remember which is bigger, my bad. I ment the vessel on the right was trying to overtake the vessel on the left and cross his bow in time avoid the other vessel that would be crossing his bow right to left. Looks like he accelerates in an attempt to make it. All he needed to do was slow down an he would have had lots of room.
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I get to see the aftermath of a couple of these big ship collisions a year as just south of my marina is a shipyard where they do work. The last few weeks there has been a freighter that got hit on the starboard aft side right by the bridge somewhere in the Caribbean.

Before that one was another freighter that was hit by a cruise ship in the Pacific near China. I've got some pics somewhere. Big boats colliding leaves a mess.
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I think that watch-keeping on ships is not always that good or professional. Off the coast of Ecuador we had a container ship coming directly at us from astern around noon on a bright, sunny day. One neat thing about AIS is that you can tell exactly that his course is the same as yours and when he will hit you. When I called him on the VHF to ask him what his passing intentions were I got a shocked Indian gentleman who immediately turned about 20 degrees to the left and started heading toward Easter Island (I would have been happy with 5 degrees). He had little excuse with radar, AIS, and eyeballs, but you could? perhaps, maybe, understand since we were probably the only vessels within 50 miles. In the Singapore Strait and other really busy spots there is absolutely no excuse.

One question, in this area do ships have pilots?
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I was re-acquainted with the acronym WAFI in that thread. Must remember.

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