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Re: Lets choose SmackDaddy's new boat...

Sweet baby cheeses! Those pictures of the aftermath are heart wrenching!

Sorry for your loss Smacky Steve.

Since this is sailnut and we know everything I cant resist adding the following comments.

Grab that old cleat from the SmackTanic as a memento. You will note that the nuts are still attached which means it pulled right through the deck. I've been on a Catalina 27' and I wondered why they (Catalina) did not use backing plates for the mooring cleats. The horn cleats were also a bit on the small side if I recall.

Another observation is that you should not leave your Bimini deployed when away from the boat. Extra windage is not what you needed during that freak blow like you experienced.

We went through something similar here early last November: h'cane Sandy. Our club lost 20 out of about 100 moored boats. The combined high winds an the 10' storm surge was what did most boats in. It is always a combination of factors that gets you in the end. I thought that for sure our boat was a goner but by some miracle we survived; probably because we took off ALL canvas (no Bimini), checked the mooring chain and our mooring cleat is anchored through a hunk of 2" x 6" underneath the fore deck.

Backing plates and reduce windage.

Sorry for your loss.
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Re: Lets choose SmackDaddy's new boat...

I am so sorry for your loss.
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Re: Lets choose SmackDaddy's new boat...

hard way to convince the admiral to get a new boat. seriously- heart goes out to you.
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Re: Lets choose SmackDaddy's new boat...

Bummer! Condolences....
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Re: Lets choose SmackDaddy's new boat...

Here is what I know (or think I know) about what SmackDaddy wants in a boat:

--He loved his catalina 27, but he made mention of now buying a boat that he could someday take on the ocean. Which ocean, and how far, I don't know.

--I know he has one Smackmomma and 2 boy Smacklings so the boat should accommodate them all.

--At one point he was seriously considering catamarans for a variety of reasons, but on the other hand after reading Glenn Damato's book, and his difficulties clawing off a lee shore, Smack was against even a full keel for its limitations to weather.

--It seems like the more he races, the more he likes performance.

I'm thinking that he needs an offshore capable boat (but I'm going to assume that with the family he won't be going into high latitudes), it should have 2 cabins, and he will want something with a reasonably modern under-body. Not sure what rig is preferred yet, but I'll assume sloop for it's weatherliness (at least until I can talk him into the virtues of a Ketch )

--Price range? Well that depends on how much BFS stuff we buy doesn't it?

Now, where is Bob Perry when you need him....

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Re: Lets choose SmackDaddy's new boat...

My condolences, that's a real bummer.
Smacktanic, hmmmmmm..... Taunting fate in boat names is just stupid superstition, right?
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Re: Lets choose SmackDaddy's new boat...

Sorry for your loss. More than anything a man and his boat are bonded, even more as it becomes what you dreamed of it. I had a 31' boat at a marina my second season and a hurricane came through in Norfolk. I put mine on a pair of hooks with a LOT of rode. The carnage at the dock was similar with boats having pounded the pier. In the height of incoming storm the dock crew was literally swimming lines around the ones they could save. The ones that took a beating were just too close to the dock. I notice the slips at your dock were short and narrow, so imagine you couldn't get the kind of spring line clearance you'd hope for. May Smacktanic II be more graceful, swifter and unsinkable. Good luck and your Sailnet team awaits your good turn of fortune!
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Re: Lets choose SmackDaddy's new boat...

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--At one point he was seriously considering catamarans for a variety of reasons, but on the other hand after reading Glenn Damato's book, and his difficulties clawing off a lee shore, Smack was against even a full keel for its limitations to weather.

--It seems like the more he races, the more he likes performance.
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There are several affordable (older) multihull designs that have weatherly performance. An Iroquois 30 comes to mind. Loaded for cruising it will only be as quick as a comparable length monohull but will outperform if kept light. All the other advantages still apply - super shallow draft, level sailing so longer passages are less tiresome, more privacy for occupants, unsinkable (or easily made so). When anchoring or mooring off during a blow multis may pitch but never roll, making for more comfort aboard. There are more advantages but I'll stop here; Smack likely knows them well.

I have a 30' one off catamaran that was moored (and properly prepped)during hurricane Isabel. Free to swing at will nothing happened to her. Most boats that suffered were dockside. Having to use a dinghy all the time isn't as convenient but it becomes an accepable part of boating after a short while. And multis can usually accomodate a dinghy with ease.
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Re: Lets choose SmackDaddy's new boat...

Again, I think that the Telstar would fit the bill for Smack.
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Re: Lets choose SmackDaddy's new boat...

Sorry, SD. Momma Nature, who gives us the wind we need to sail, sometimes gives us too much, from the wrong direction at the wrong time.
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