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Re: Mostly singlehanded...what lines should I run aft?

Z-Sounds like you have fun and stress free sailing. Me - I get "sit down already" from the admiral at least once a day.
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Re: Mostly singlehanded...what lines should I run aft?

hahaha--i get open can momms and as i have a wonderfully comfy helm seat-is a sofa!
i go many hundred miles at a time....is a lil different than a nice stressfull. err, stress relieving daysail.....and i am sooo not in a hurry when i am out there....
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Re: Mostly singlehanded...what lines should I run aft?

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C.Breeze I'm one of those who "worked my ass off to retire". Maybe I'm not as physically able- I know my endurance sucks and my joints aren't too great either. But I've managed to go to Bermuda (won once) several times ( did it with celestial once too) and from N.E. to the Carribean a few times and have been through a number of storms. What I see more often then infirm elderly are arrogant youth who have yet to gain the humility and wisdom that comes with age.Last summer came in on the launch with a couple in their 80's. They needed help getting in and alot of help getting their kit off their boat into the launch as well. They had big smiles as they just came back from a two week cruise. Wife was on me as it took 3 passes for them to pick up their mooring. Watched closely and was ready to help but they did it themselves. ?Isn't that what it's about? They made everyone on the launch smile and it was a great day to be alive.
Suspect over 35+yrs. I have owned a few more boats than you have children. My new boat is the first I will have that has power winches and a bow thruster. Something new to learn.
Find your comment age-ist and an expression of your own inadequacies. Plase keep your hateful thoughts to your self. Would appreciate further comments about running rigging brought aft as my crippled old knees and fat gut make it difficult to go forward in a blow.
People of all ages learn from experience and being taught.Doesn't matter if they get it at 30 or 60. If you are skilled perhaps you can put joy in this world by sharing your skills not your insults.Show them how to use the Racor, explain about anchoring and snubbing etc.
They are putting Z drives on ships now too. Guess their Masters don't know any seamanship either. Lighten up - It's an ad. ?Think the kid was his son not his grandson. (GRIN)


Well. It would seem that though you're ability to read and process information is, at this point questionable, you fit into 1000s of ocean miles school of curmudgeonry- specifically referenced in my post.

Anyway, I appreciate the assumption that I leave everyone I meet whose background didn't provide the proper experience base for their travels, or whose fitness level is questionable, helpless. In fact I typically try to get them to sign a salvage agreement and then offer assistance. (Joke, referencing towboatus thread)

Tell you what- try to tuck up that Viagra inspired boner- and spare me the righteous indignation. If you want to read the post- and respond to the points I made- feel free, if not that's fine too. If you think that that's how teaching a kid to sail is done- fine I hope you have kids and grand kids to share that particular joy with. If you do not think that "ammenities" like that result in more and more less qualified people taking sailboats places they should not- and using those "ammenities" as a crutch, to compensate for lack of proper skills- then support that argument.


sailors use the stuff they can get to, lines led aft= sailing your boat better





I have met tons of people with in boom or in mast furling. Of these probably 1/3 had a sailing background and knew how to tie in a reef. IN MY EXPERIENCE (limited as it is by age and the inordinate amount of time I've given up for others instead of frittering it away on fun like sailing). WHAT I HAVE SEEN WITH MY EYES. AND HEARD "from the horses mouth" is that typical users of that crap use it as a substitute for actual sailing "no how"


So while lines led aft leads to an individual sailing better- I contend that the other "nonsense" tends toward A) making one complacent and B) in many contexts, keeps one from ever becoming a "sailor"


I'm standing by with a litany of real life anecdotes to support my assertations.
None of which cast aspersions on your character. Now listen- I'm a real easygoing guy. After 39 months in Iraq and Afg I have a pretty good perspective on what's important and what's not. When you address someone directly- without any knowledge of who or what they are- its wise not too get on too high a horse. Usually it's really safe- and gives one an insulated feeling of superiority to call someone's character into question online.



But sometimes....

They are sitting in the same marina, using the same wifi- and look over at there spouse to tell o how they let some jerk really have it on sailnet. Only to turn around and find the scariest person in the world standing by for an explanation...

Old timer- I've said nothing here that I wouldn't or couldn't support in a fAce to face conversation. I have serious doubts that you have the gall to address me face to face in such fashion however. Whether it be from a real human desire to avoid confrontation or from having been raised right.

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Re: Mostly singlehanded...what lines should I run aft?

I don't need to speak up in defense of young people. I find them as shameful as the rest of the species.
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Re: Mostly singlehanded...what lines should I run aft?

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Whether you meant it or not your post was percieved as confrontational. Once this attitude is taken or percieved the transfer of information becomes more problematic. I viewed your post as age-ist. Just re read it and still do. I've watched the same crowd a you and see the same things. It seems there are two main species. Those who know life is a contnuous learning curve and appreciate help up the hill and those who do not. In my experience age has little to do with it. I honor your service (remember.- as Dylan said- we all serve someone). Again feel you made preconcieved judgments in your current post.
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Re: Mostly singlehanded...what lines should I run aft?

Investigated in boom furling at some length. Already had in mast furler jam on a trip back from Bermuda so had no interest. You give up some sail shaping but both the schaefer and leisurefurl are now quite reliable with the bugs worked out. If that's what it takes to keep you on the water go for it. Personally, very conservative. Went with singleline reefing and a power winch. Therefore, don't have to head into the wind to reef and have mainsail set up so can tie in a reef even if system fails. Still give up some sail shaping. Think designing or modifying your boat for personal convenience is great as long as you realize you need to be able to run the boat if that system fails.
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Re: Mostly singlehanded...what lines should I run aft?

I couldn't possibly have preconceived these notions. I was completely ignorant to the fact that people who had never sailed before retired, took some ASA classes, and went cruising like it was no big deal.


My preconceived notion was that most of the "mature" people who retired an took off cruising had a somewhat nautical background, and had spent years sailing, honing a passion for it to the point that they were willing to toss off the amenities of land life in order to spend there golden years dealing with all the inconveniences of cruising. That's a preconceived notion.

I have no statistics which would illuminate the percentage of reasonably seasoned sailors with a fairly broad base o sailing knowledge and experience- vs those that are of the other school, I'm sure the skilled far outnumber the other- but who is it that you encounter most alon the way? The squeaky wheel gets the grease. The competent folks aren't out making an impression because they are handling there business.

So, my new notion- radically different from my former and preconceived notion, is that the typical user of these amenities ie joystick docking, in boom/ in mast furling, electric winches (other than main halyard, which just seems to be the norm now), bow thrusters, etc is typically using them as a crutch to shore up a facet of seamanship in which said user is deficient.

I also specifically stated that there are in fact plenty of those with 1000s of sea miles. You know- the ones that fit my "preconceived notion"

Need I really go into a dissertation on the issues with younger sailors? It's not relevant to the issue I raised which was with a couple things- 1) sailboat commercials should feature boats with sails on them. 2) what a pathetic attempt at inspiring feelings of warmth at the idea of getting children involved in sailing- here Johnny its not quite as modern As your Xbox- it's more like playing the video games at the pizza place, the ones that still have a joystick
And 3) the target audience (which is what makes all this age related)

If you want a peak at the issues with young sailors watch hold fast.


In a perfect world my boat would have
A) clean decks
2: lines led aft including at a minimum main halyard, reefing, Cunningham. I might settle for just the Cunningham aft. I have a loose foot main so my out haul an cunnigham are pretty meaningful means of trimming the main.
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Re: Mostly singlehanded...what lines should I run aft?

Great ad for the 360 docking. Nice bit of kit.

Notice the Gramps left the kid on board when they went? Was the kid Roger the Cabin Boy? Sent to the bilges with rags to clean? Sold to ummmm those foreigners? Chucked overboard?

Come back in 20 years time and all new boats will have that. Or maybe even Dynamic Positioning.

Detachable helm wheels too. Just have one in the lazarette in case of emergency, but the rest of the time you just have the joystick and auto pilot and have a clearer cockpit space.

Like GPS and AIS advances in technology only enhance safety, increase abilities and add enjoyment... And all three mean an increase in "seamanship" as far as I am concerned.


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Re: Mostly singlehanded...what lines should I run aft?

Correct. This discussion isn't any different than the one we could have regarding roller furling headsails. 40 years ago. Now it's just accepted. I have it on my boat. I am not sure how many hank on headsails I've swapped out but its alot. Same with foil.

Really light badass shoes can help you jump higher and maybe snag the occasional extra rebound- but they won't help you dribble. In 20 years the fundamentals of sailing will not have changed. We will still be shaping airfoils to bend the wind to our whim. When a rudder starts to cavitate or stall you will still be able to wag the tiller or wheel and get water flowing over it again. The autopilot- maybe it'll know that buy then, maybe not.

So, while having systems that augment or compliment your own abilities does contribute to an overall increase in seamanship- I remain of the position that it must all be founded on a solid basis of fundamentals- and that joystick docking isn't that solid foundation.

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Re: Mostly singlehanded...what lines should I run aft?

C. Breeze-guess I see it another way. I see virtually no US boats on Paulo's thread. As the fishing industry dies in my neck of the woods more habor space is turned into condos, fewer areas to anchor/moor and more finger slips filled with Grand Banks and the like. I think anything that gets folks on the water in sailboats is a good thing. I think it's fun to show some one how to use their mooring lines and fore or aft power to move their bow or stern off the fuel dock. Think if we can get folks to appreciate the joy of sailing as time goes on they will use the dock and go progressively less as they enjoy the sense of accomplishment of bringing the boat in without it more. Think the right approach is to be more enclusive so we remain relevent when the various powers that be look at the services we use and we maintain a vibrant market to foster the industry that serves us.
P.S.- My package works well without aid. But embarressing those who need help is unkind in my view. I intentionally sized my boat so that I could run everything when the power fails but having power on all my winches means my admiral can single while I sleep. I think to whatever extent we can be enclusive, open to new sailors of all ages and abilities and openly non judgmentally share knowledge and skill it is good for all of us.
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