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Re: Mostly singlehanded...what lines should I run aft?

Please forgive the jab.

I have expressed well reasoned distaste with an advertisement, and you continue to make posts that essentially call my character into question, calling me ageist, suggesting I am unwilling to help those in need I meet along the way, and that I am somehow not inclusive o those new to sailing.

All of this makes it dificult for me to avoid caustic jabs.

But like my dad always said I am "strong like bull an smart like tractor" which is just smart enough to discontinue unpleasant interaction.
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Re: Mostly singlehanded...what lines should I run aft?

Please, can we refrain from the personal attacks and stick to disagreeing about the topic?
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Re: Mostly singlehanded...what lines should I run aft?

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and you continue to make posts that essentially call my character into question
Comments like these don't help your position.

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Tell you what- try to tuck up that Viagra inspired boner- and spare me the righteous indignation.

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Please, can we refrain from the personal attacks and stick to disagreeing about the topic?
DRFerron is right, carry on.
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Re: Mostly singlehanded...what lines should I run aft?

No sailing-related forum discussion is worth hard feelings or personal attacks (I learned this the hard way).

It has been a long and frustrating winter, as evidenced by the disagreements on the forum. Soon we will all be sailing again under blue skies, water gurgling along the hull, and sunlight glinting off the water (and one would hope as little unnecessary gear as possible on the boat).
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Re: Mostly singlehanded...what lines should I run aft?

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Great ad for the 360 docking. Nice bit of kit.

Come back in 20 years time and all new boats will have that. Or maybe even Dynamic Positioning.


Like GPS and AIS advances in technology only enhance safety, increase abilities and add enjoyment... And all three mean an increase in "seamanship" as far as I am concerned.


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No surprise you and I might disagree on this, but how a technology like joystick docking represents an enhancement of abilities, skills, and overall seamanship is completely lost on me...

Certainly hope they get all the bugs worked out of those systems by the time everyone out there has them... Last fall, in late November, I was fueling a boat at The Yacht Basin Co. in Annapolis, minding my own business... Empty harbor, very little activity about, when a 40' powerboat approaches alongside, to come to the fuel dock ahead of me... Good thing both myself and the dock attendant simultaneously realized something was wrong, and managed to get to the outboard side of my boat to lessen the impact of the resultant collision...

The operator of the vessel was clearly not some clueless newb, but sheepishly admitted he had been having "issues" with the system going haywire at random, invariably inopportune times...

2 winters ago in Boat Harbor in the Abacos, I witnessed a professional captain completely destroy the swim platform on a 44' Hinckley Talaria, when there was a similar failure while backing into a slip... I've had a similar ''fly by wire" engine control failure occur on a 62' Sunseeker, rendering the throttles useless on a $1.8 million yacht... Fortunately, there was a manual override system for the gearbox clutches, and we were able to limp into Charleston late one night after running the last 40 miles on a run from Morehead at dead idle...

And this, from a friend of mine who sails a J-160, not the kind of guy to make something like this up:

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I have a marina neighbor with a Jeanneau that has it. Five of six (serious) rounds of "fixes" and adds of batteries, bigger alternator, hardware, software, etc. -- it still "locks-up" at the worst times. UFB.

I've asked them: Why did you get this linked system, your boat backs well enough, just have them lock the sail drive in the fore-aft postion, use the bow thrusters (if you need to), and get-on with life. Work-out something with Jeanneau for your economic and other suffering -- get them to clean-up the vestigual crap, so it looks like it was always intended that way, etc.
I'd like to know what happens to such systems in the event of a total loss of electrical power, or a more catastrophic event such as a lightning strike... I would imagine even a nearby strike could easily knock such a heavily software-dependent system out of commission... Sure might be inconvenient of such a failure occurred when that rotating saildrive was in a position perpendicular to the centerline of the hull, for example...

Nah, what am I thinking? Such things could NEVER happen on a boat, right? Electrons NEVER cease flowing to all the right places they need to be, after all... (grin)
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Re: Mostly singlehanded...what lines should I run aft?

Wow! Interesting thread.

Well, here is my two (or three) cents worth:

Regarding winch placement and lines...

My boat is a Catalina 400. It has inmast furling. All the lines are run aft. I would not have it any other way. This is one of the key bonuses of inmast - you don't have to leave the cockpit in almost any weather. I find that more valueable on this boat and this configuratoin than keeping things at the mast. However, I am seriouzly looking at putting in clutches at the mast which would get the halyards out of my dodger. I have seen many boats do this and I think it is a great idea.

My dad's boat (and realistically ours too) is a Tayana Vancouver 42. It has a traditional slab reef. I obviously spend and have spent a fair amount of time on it. WHen we bought the boat, the boat had all the lines leading aft - in cluding the halyards and reefing lines. Hated it!! We had winches placed on the mast for reefing and hauling the halyard. Life is much, much better. On that boat, you can go to the mast, lean against the grannys, and relatively easily drop in a j-reef or raise the halyard. I find that with a trad main, you are probaly going to the mast to drop in a reef anyways (I always do/did on my 380 too). Might as well put the lines where they are easiest to handle.

SO two different boats, two different answers. I think both are right for those boats and rigging.

Regarding dodgers...

Sorry Jon - I love them. But yours and Dave's points are well taken about the "holes" through them. I will say that when crossing from Pensacola, we took a breaker onto the dodger that ripped the velcro off the bottom and put the water into the cockpit (not sure if that made sense). In one sense, I hated getting everything wet and wish it had been secured better (much like Valiant does theirs). On the other hand, I wonder what that kind of force would have done to the dodger had it not been able to release some of the load??? Anyways, I wholeheartedly agree with Dave that the boat should stay dry and salt free down below - especially as a cruiser. Otherwise, it is just misery.

Regarding all the new gadgets...

I have mixed opinions. THings like Sat phones, SSB, EPirbs, AIS, radar, and GPS have made us safer and less safe. Many of us sail via GPS/Chartplotter (I am one of them) and if they went down, many of us would have a real difficulty finding our way to our intended destination. Case in point: On the way back from the Tortugas one time, I shut off the chartplotter for a little practice session with my dead reckoning. You see, offshore I take 30 minute plottings on paper, with COG, SOG, wind, etc. It was a nice day and a good time to give my seamanship a test in controlled conditions. Well, within 30 minutes or an hour of careful hand steering, I sucesfully put us way off our course! THE XTE was terrible. Of course, I need more practice, but my point is that while many of these items make us safer, they also make us rusty on our seamanship. And to think that many people (even cruisers) I meet do not paper plot or often even carry paper backups... that is scary!! Regading the joy stick docking thing... well, I sure hope his battery doesn't go dead while he is near me! I would love to have a bow thruster on our boat, and would buy one if it were in the cruising budget, but somehow I have managed to get along without it. I will say that I have serious concerns for many of the boaters I see should their bow thruster go out. What happened to learning how to spring off a dock, bow-in to a slip, keep your boat pointed into the wind waiting for a bridge... etc.

Regarding inmast or inboom versus slab...

I was all against it until I had it and learned how to use it. I have written articles on this. I really like a GOOD inmast (there are some that are not). You are safe, you can reef to any point, you stay in the cockpit, you will likely use your main more, you can easily rig a trysail (two separate tracks), etc. I would not go back to a trad main unless I was racing.

Brian

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Re: Mostly singlehanded...what lines should I run aft?

Cruising Dad as always you make very cogent and valuable points. Think you're right our skill sets are rusty and it is worthwhile to do DR exercises (think it would be fun).Perhaps even do a sight reduction.( just a easy one like lower limb of the moon-grin). The set up of reefing systems should reflect the needs of that specific vessel. I had a scary time so don't feel secure with in mast. View that sense of security (I can handle this) as a safety issue . Know some people swear by them and it does allow powering up a reefed main. Jon is right about the increase in vulnerablity with these increasingly complex systems. Hell beyond changing the oil can't even work on my truck any more. Did both an LAN (wireless) and hard wired system for key coponents of the nav-system. But gotta tell you the wireless remote for the autopilot is gonna be a great toy. It would scare me to have fly by wire as the sole system on a boat. But see it being on vehicles even motorcycles from my understanding. Technology is pervasive. Wonder to what degree it truly improve the quality of ours lives. Wonder about the proverbial ship and star to steer by.
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Re: Mostly singlehanded...what lines should I run aft?

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But gotta tell you the wireless remote for the autopilot is gonna be a great toy...
It is, I wouldn't want to be without mine... If yours is by Raymarine, however, a word of caution is in order...

My S100 is powered by a pair of AAA batteries... If they go dead while the autopilot is in AUTO mode, it will switch the unit into STANDBY... Could result in big trouble, if you're not aware of it, and my owner's manual from Raymarine makes no mention whatsoever of this possiblilty...

Furthermore, there is no easy way to turn it off, it will only do so automatically if the pilot is in STANDBY mode for a few minutes... To avoid having to do that, I simply open the back cover and disconnect one of the batteries...

I've never used the more expensive and presumably more capable S1000, perhaps they've improved on some of these design flaws...

Great gadgets, however, no question about it... I would have killed for one on my last delivery south, some idiot had put the control head in an incredibly stupid location, very awkward to reach...
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Re: Mostly singlehanded...what lines should I run aft?

Jon- Really appreciate the heads up. You're right have the Raymarine with the long arm. They offer two remotes. The bigger one was rechargerable and showed instruments but thought the smaller one made more sense hanging around your neck. Figured KISS. Guess will have batteries in a baggie in the cockpit pocket and foulie pockets. Can you turn the pilot off at the wheel console and then just use that after you turn it back on? Will the system accept input after the batteries in the remote go dead?
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Re: Mostly singlehanded...what lines should I run aft?

Jon - Thanks from me, too, for the heads-up. My wife got me the S100 for Christmas, and I just installed it for use this season after we splash. It's good to have a warning about the battery issue.

Like outbound, I would be interested in knowing how to reset the Auto mode after the remote goes dead. I assume that once the S100 is dead and it goes back into standby, that you just have to walk to the wheel, re-establish the correct heading, then press "auto" on the main control panel. Please confirm if something else needs to be done, like pulling the dead batteries out of the unit.

I have a couple Eneloop AAA's, so maybe I'll use them and recharge after every couple of daysails, assuming that 2x1.2v NiMH power is adequate for the handset.

Also like outbound, I selected the S100 over the fancier one because it seemed better to hang around my neck. And I prefer using generic batteries over proprietary rechargables.

Maybe if I go overboard I can steer the boat back to me. (JUST KIDDING - I know the boat would be out of range in seconds.)
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