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That is true, but it is not used as a boat, it is used as a tender to the boat, for going from boat to shore, and back. As I said that was 'MY' understanding and "I HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD MANY THINGS IN MY LIFE"! Couldn't hurt to ask about that point?
The bad news: You're wrong. In Maryland (and most states) you have to register all boats that have mechanical propulsion. Your argument that "it is not used as a boat" will elicit some rolled eyes from the authorities as they are writing you up.

The good news: Your registration may be free in Maryland if your boat is <16 ft. and <7.6 HP. You will be on the hook for sales or excise tax, though. But if your dinghy was purchased as part of the acquisition of the mother ship, you may have already paid your sales/excise tax. If you have evaded that tax for over 30 days, you may be in for some bad news when they find out.

All this can be found here: http://www.dmv.org/md-maryland/boat-...t-to-Register-


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As I understand it, IF,IF it's used as a 'tender',(going from the boat to shore and back), even with a small motor, it doesn't need it's own set of reg. #'s. Any other use it must have reg #'s. That's how I was told it work.
Your understanding will lead to a ticket and a fine.
Better to get the information yourself from DNR, not some guy on the dock.

How do I know if my vessel must be registered in Maryland?

Maryland Department of Natural Resources - Boating
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Your vessel, whether commercial or recreational, must be registered in Maryland if it is:

Equipped with any kind of primary or auxiliary mechanical propulsion; and
Used in Maryland most in a calendar year.

Note: US Coast Guard documented vessels using Maryland waters are NOT exempt from the vessel excise tax. When used principally in Maryland, documented vessels must display a documented use decal.

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I read this, from "What to register"...
"Recreational vessels with any type of mechanical propulsion system (primary or auxiliary), to be used mostly in Maryland waterways during the calender year."
as; no motor=no reg req'd.

also, from second linked site;
"Your vessel, whether commercial or recreational, must be registered in Maryland if it is:
Equipped with any kind of primary or auxiliary mechanical propulsion; and
Used in Maryland most in a calendar year.

Same response.. no motor; no registration req'd

Somewhere I recall seeing something about "under 16 feet, but that *may* have been in relation to free registration, with the same req's to document?!
Given my circumstances; I'm likely to call DNR and ask about the "abandoned boat" regs and the "gift" regs. I have absolutely no idea where/who the boat came from and other than going thru the "abandoned" route, I don;t see a way to document POs or ownership....hence the *rowing only* probability.

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That's the point Deltaten, any motor - registration required.

Even if you JUST use it for a tender - see the quoted text from Airborne.

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OTOH if they just gave out titles and stickers to anyone, good luck getting your stolen boat back and/or proving you even ever owned it in the first place.
I went nuts trying to get my BRAND NEW dinghy registered with the MD DNR folks.
It went like this:
MD: The HIN doesn't have enough digitis.
ME: Well that is the number. The boat came from Poland, so maybe they use less numbers.
MD: Well they need more.
ME: Do you want to go with me to Poland and explain they are doing it wrong?
MD: Well they need more.
ME: OK, we can go, but you are paying for your own ticket and food!
(repeat about 10 more times)
MD: OK I give up! Here is a HIN for you I just made up. Inscribe it on the boat when you get home.
ME:

For the OP: Can you come up with a "bill of sale" that included the boat and the dinghy listed by HIN number

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Actually I am really glad that this thread came up. I have a cheap inflatable raft that I'm considering adding a trolling motor to. I don't need a dinghy for my normal daysailing, but I'm considering a week or two of cruising in the Chesapeake this summer, and may need a way to get to shore with my little dog. Since rowing will be difficult if I need to hold her, a trolling motor would be the perfect inexpensive addition to get us to shore and back.

I had been reluctant to add any mechanical propulsion because of the cost/bother of registering in PA. But since my state of primary use for this dinghy will be in Maryland, I think I'll take advantage of their free registration for low-power craft. I would not have learned about Maryland's free registration if I hadn't seen this thread.

[EDIT: The Minn Kota trolling motor that I've been considering just dropped to $80 after rebate on Amazon. It's usually $100, and the price history shows they drop the price a couple times a year for only one day, so I pulled the trigger. Looks like I'll definitely be registering my dink in Maryland.]


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OTOH if they just gave out titles and stickers to anyone, good luck getting your stolen boat back and/or proving you even ever owned it in the first place.
I went nuts trying to get my BRAND NEW dinghy registered with the MD DNR folks.
It went like this:
MD: The HIN doesn't have enough digitis.
ME: Well that is the number. The boat came from Poland, so maybe they use less numbers.
MD: Well they need more.
ME: Do you want to go with me to Poland and explain they are doing it wrong?
MD: Well they need more.
ME: OK, we can go, but you are paying for your own ticket and food!
(repeat about 10 more times)
MD: OK I give up! Here is a HIN for you I just made up. Inscribe it on the boat when you get home.
ME:

For the OP: Can you come up with a "bill of sale" that included the boat and the dinghy listed by HIN number
I'm getting nightmares from remembering what it was like to deal with Maryland on everything.

My advice, be the leaf, not the salmon. If they want a notarized bill of sale, sell it to your (wife, friend, relative) and then buy it back from them, on a notarized bill of sale, and put whatever they want on that Bill of Sale. I've had to do that before.

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Well I'm sending off my title/registration documents to Annapolis tonight. I have a certificate of origin generated from the manufacturer's website, and sales printouts from Amazon for the $100 raft and $80 trolling motor. I'm enclosing $6.72 to cover $2 title fee and $4.72 excise tax (after credit for what I paid Pennsylvania).

Getting a handwritten "bill of sale" from Amazon.com is impossible. So we'll see just how much grief they want to give me over a $180 purchase.


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