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Re: Fastest route from Annapolis to NYC?

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Only NJ inlets which re safe are Cape May, Absecon ( Atlantic city), and Manesquan.
Manesquan could also be deadly to someone who researched and reviewed navigational resources so little as to have written the OP of this thread. It can be a pretty dangerous place even for the experienced. Almost nothing on the charts of NJ can be trusted now due to Sandy.

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Re: Fastest route from Annapolis to NYC?

Manasquan Inlet needs special knowledge especially during high current flow ... there is or used to be a narrow bascule bridge just inside and located at a sharp curve .... and its 'traditional' for every Luigi Testosteroni with a bow-up & raging sport fishing boat only to pass through the bridge at 'three abreast' when any sailboat is there. "Hey gid outta da way, Immm drivin' heeah".

During my adolescent years it was called the 'boat eating bridge' because of 'swirling water' at the bridge. ;-)
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Re: Fastest route from Annapolis to NYC?

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The published limit on the Cape May Canal is 55'. ICW in NJ is tough with that draft.
Draft? You mean height? 55' seems a bit deep......

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Manesquan could also be deadly to someone who researched and reviewed navigational resources so little as to have written the OP of this thread.
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Re: Fastest route from Annapolis to NYC?

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Draft? You mean height? 55' seems a bit deep......
Ouch
Sorry, these were two separate thoughts. I should edit my own posts as I tell my two high-schoolers to do. The bridge clearance in the Cape May Canal is published at 55'; your boat requires 58'. Also, your 7' draft is a bit extreme for the NJ ICW. Avoid both of those routes.


I've started searching the notice to mariners and active captain for issues that would impact the trip via the outside with inlet stops. I read an article about a coast guard vessel grounding on a Volvo in the Barnegat bay.
I've also found these issues:
  • (VZ) new sunken vessel on bridge approach.
  • (Raritan) Missing Lighthouse
  • (Raritan) Two sunken vessels in western bay.
  • (Manasquan) "Following Superstorm Sandy, the entire NJ Coast has been reported to have debris floating from the shore out. Many houses were swept out to sea and a lot of the roofs and structural parts are still out there."
  • (Manasquan) Missing marker by coast guard station
  • (barnegat)Shoaling at the inlet entrance.
  • (barnegat)Missing markers further along the inlet.

Is anyone aware of other issues in these inlets?

What marinas are really open this week?

( Active captain is a great resource! )
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Re: Fastest route from Annapolis to NYC?

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Draft? You mean height? 55' seems a bit deep......



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I will admit you are right. I grew up in Ocean City, NJ.. the Great Egg Inlet there is treacherous.. I considered Manisquan easy compared to it.

Last time I went through Great Egg.. it was low tide and the channel took me right between two sandbars.. so we had breakers on either side of the boat, not a dozen meters off. They would roll in, break, disappear into the deep water of the channel, and reappear on the other side of the boat as they rolled over that sandbar
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Re: Fastest route from Annapolis to NYC?

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Manesquan could also be deadly to someone who researched and reviewed navigational resources so little as to have written the OP of this thread. It can be a pretty dangerous place even for the experienced. Almost nothing on the charts of NJ can be trusted now due to Sandy.

Did anyone mention Active Captain to this fellow?

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Manesquan could also be deadly to someone who researched and reviewed navigational resources so little as to have written the OP of this thread.
So were you refering to me Roger.

I have followed your posts on here as well as the Site which you moderate with great respect as well as admiration for your posts.

I also have learned to respect others opinions as well. In addition I try and get my facts straight before making some kind of blanket statement about someone elses post.You need to learn the same respect.

The facts: I lived in Ocean City NJ for 18 years and had a keelboat there and kept one in barnegat Bay for 4 years.. I have transitted Cape May/ Atlantic City/ Manesquan/ Barnegat Inlets over 100 times individually in my own boat. I would say thats enough to qualify for " local knowledge of the inlets in and many more times in others boats and use them every year. Having lived at the Jersey Shore for 18 years I have also run the other inlets ( Little egg, Great Egg, Avalon, Corsons) which are not really good choices for sailboats, and run them in power boats and fishing boats.

I feel qualified as anyone to post about The Big 4, Cape May, Absecon, Manesquan and Barneget as anyone, maybe even more. In additon I run these inlets every year on a trip north/ south to the LI Sound and New England. I also have monitored there conditions since Sandy with great curiosity to see if we have to alter plans. I beleive I have a great amount of locak knowledge of these inlets and have already helped many sailors with advice and suggestions already transiting Cape May, Absecon, Barneget, and Manesquan Inlets.

All NJ inlets are dangerous, as an inlet with a large body of water behind it can really help created the bottom conditions as well as current to enhance breaking waves and turbulence.

I smiled at RichH nickname for the boat eating bridge as his description was accurate about the currents and it should be noted. The whole Pt Pleasent Canal is a quick moving nightmare for a sailboat and I suggest not be transited.

However, I will disagree with you about Manesquan Inlet. Always enter any inlet with care and knowledge of local conditions. Manesquan, Cape May and Absecon are the most straightforward INLETS in terms of navigation and shoaling extending into the ocean on eaither side, which knowledgheable sailors know will cause breaking rollers sideways across and inlet with proper wind and current conditions. Manesquan is home to a lrge commercial fishing fleet and has safe doicks once inside the inlet breakwaters in case of an emergency, there is no real place to anchor though. As you continue back to the Fuel dock on the Starboard just before the small bridge Rich names and after that and the railroad brige close to it is HOffmans which provides transient slips. After tghat you are in the PT Pleasent Canal with major current and low bridges ( many of them). Manesquan is a good bailout point if necessary. Same with Absecon and Cape May.

Barneget is the most trecherous of all of ther ones I would navigate by sailboat due to the shoals extending 1.5 miles out from either jetty as well as the counter intutive passage way inside the jetty with the green can quarenteening the north 1/2 of the area inside the south jetty to the back of the inlet with shoals, This forces the mariner to hug the north jetty on the way in to the west. Another nuance is the 90 degree dog leg turn at the rear of the inlet and the perpendicular cossing of the back of the inlet to an area which is the intersection of three channels. Like New Jersey traffic ceircles ( which usuall are mayhem with 6 major roads entering and exiting) this junction is the channel leading behind the Barnegat Light and the CG Station, the channnel leading back to the beautiful 2 Meters Holes anchorages and also the HIgh bar Yacht Club , and lastly the busy narrow shoaled channel leding through the Sedge Islands back to Barnegat Bay. I am sure this was majorly affected by Sandy. Barneget should opnly be attemp[t in good conditions and with good knowledge of what you will see once headed in the inlet.

Absecon is straightforward with major current past the entrance to Clam Creek( Farley State marina) Current is worst by the Brigantine Bridge and Harrah, right where one of the anchorage areas is.

Cape May is another staightforward Inlet

All four of these inlets have large commercial fishing fleets and CG stations at their entrances. All inlets including thes in NJ must be transited with caution. The CG has sounded all four of these inlets well and they are safe to c ome in. What you find behind them may still be being resounded and mapped.

Yes by all means use Active Captain I do, They can be behind in acurancy thoufgh especially as realted to Sandy. Use the GC and TowBoatUS for information as well as call before transitiing for the latest up to the moment conditions and warnings/ advisories to mariners
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Re: Fastest route from Annapolis to NYC?

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Manesquan could also be deadly to someone who researched and reviewed navigational resources so little as to have written the OP of this thread.
So were you refering to me Roger.
Actually, I thought he was talking to me =P
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Re: Fastest route from Annapolis to NYC?

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Also, your 7' draft is a bit extreme for the NJ ICW. Avoid both of those routes.
That's putting it mildly... (grin) No way should any portion of NJ's ICW be considered with a 7' draft...

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I've started searching the notice to mariners and active captain for issues that would impact the trip via the outside with inlet stops. I read an article about a coast guard vessel grounding on a Volvo in the Barnegat bay.
I've also found these issues:
  • (Manasquan) "Following Superstorm Sandy, the entire NJ Coast has been reported to have debris floating from the shore out. Many houses were swept out to sea and a lot of the roofs and structural parts are still out there."
  • (Manasquan) Missing marker by coast guard station
  • (barnegat)Shoaling at the inlet entrance.
  • (barnegat)Missing markers further along the inlet.
I believe the issue with debris off the Jersey coast was vastly overstated right from the get-go... Virtually all of the debris was carried into the back bays during the initial storm surge, there was never another tide remotely close to the height of the surge that could have carried much debris back over the barrier beaches... I did 3 trips down the coast in the few weeks following Sandy, and never saw anything of significance, nothing remotely close to what was off SC in the aftermath of Hugo, for example... the inland waters, whole different ballgame, of course - they will be pretty risky for quite some time...

Of the 4 major NJ inlets, I also think Barnegat is the only one likely to have been significantly affected, but only thru the Oyster Creek Channel... Nothing has changed at Manasquan beyond some minor damage to the docks at the Brielle YC and Marine Basin, I doubt much changed at AC, and Cape May was virtually unaffected, as were the shoals off-lying Cape May Point...
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Re: Fastest route from Annapolis to NYC?

Jon, have you lately passed through the 'channel' quite close to Cape May point .... the one you can spit from your boat and hit dry beach? The 'inner' Cape May channel just west of Eph Shoal?
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Re: Fastest route from Annapolis to NYC?

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[Manesquan is home to a lrge commercial fishing fleet and has safe doicks once inside the inlet breakwaters in case of an emergency, there is no real place to anchor though.
I don't know about making it with a 7' draft, but when I stopped in Manasquan I anchored in a neat little spot out of the inlet and hence safe from the nasty current. Not far into the inlet was a marked channel, probably 1/2 mile, to a bascule bridge that then opened into a neat little harbor with good holding...

No idea if you could squeeze down there with such a large draft or whether it got slammed by the storm, but it was a great option as it was out of the way of the commericial fleet and out of the current... Maybe chef2sail has more accurate and up to date info..

On my trip, as a total newb sailing solo, I steered way clear of Barnegat, but I had no problem with Cape May, Abesecon, and Manesquan. All were well marked, all offered good anchorage options, and easy peasy on the way in and out as long as you watched the tide and wind.
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