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Re: Fastest route from Annapolis to NYC?

I know where you mean. I am assuming the little creek after the red two. It was 4.5 ft at mid tide three years ago when we slowly tried to feel our way in there. We gave up, went back out the inlet and sailed up to Atlantic Highlands in the dark about 10. PM. We like anchoring or picking up a mooring there. Great jump off spot waiting for he right tide/current to ride in hero ugh NY Harbor and up the East River through Hell Gate and into the LI Sound. We occasionally have stayed at Liberty Landing if we want to splurge. Great view of Manhattan nice restaurant, water taxi in the marina to close to the Battery area.






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I don't know about making it with a 7' draft, but when I stopped in Manasquan I anchored in a neat little spot out of the inlet and hence safe from the nasty current. Not far into the inlet was a marked channel, probably 1/2 mile, to a bascule bridge that then opened into a neat little harbor with good holding...

No idea if you could squeeze down there with such a large draft or whether it got slammed by the storm, but it was a great option as it was out of the way of the commericial fleet and out of the current... Maybe chef2sail has more accurate and up to date info..

On my trip, as a total newb sailing solo, I steered way clear of Barnegat, but I had no problem with Cape May, Abesecon, and Manesquan. All were well marked, all offered good anchorage options, and easy peasy on the way in and out as long as you watched the tide and wind.
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Re: Fastest route from Annapolis to NYC?

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We do this route every year up and back fromBaltimore to the LI Sound. Up the Chessie to the C&D, then anchor behind Reedy Island or go to Delaware City and wait to leave two hours before high tide. You ride the T,IDE to Cape May. Canal is 55 ht and around the pony is an extra 2 hours .

Only NJ inlets which re safe are Cape May, Absecon ( Atlantic city), and Manesquan. Barneget is ok too but treacherous and need good knowledge.
Avoid all others. ICW from Barneget t o Manesquan has a lot of shoals and bridges so avoid. Distances C&D to Cape May 55, Absecon 35', Barneget 35' , Manesquan 22, Ambrose Channel 27
Where do you "park" in the Manesquan?

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Pretty much just one way to go. I'm wondering what you were "reading up" on? Are you aware of where NYC and Annapolis are actually located? Just seems like a silly question.
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Re: Fastest route from Annapolis to NYC?

" then straight to NY Harbor up the East River. "
Ah, no, actually. Once you reach NY Harbor, you can go up the East River or you can go up the Hudson Estuary to the Hudson River. But if he's planning to go up to Lake Champlain, he'll be going up the Hudson.
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Re: Fastest route from Annapolis to NYC?

and once you are in the Hudson River proper, you are in what the Iriquois called "the river that flows both ways". The tidal influence on the Hudson reaches almost to Albany.
Going with the current can save you a bundle on fuel.
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Re: Fastest route from Annapolis to NYC?

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Jon, have you lately passed through the 'channel' quite close to Cape May point .... the one you can spit from your boat and hit dry beach? The 'inner' Cape May channel just west of Eph Shoal?
Yup, I was through there about 3 weeks after the storm, on a trip down from Maine... I usually pass between Eph Shoal and Prissy Wicks, and head straight for the point, that's where you mean, right?

No problem, nothing had changed as far as I could tell... There was a decent swell running, breakers on both sides as usual, but good water (relatively speaking, of course) in between...

Speaking with Chris Booth, the dockmaster at South Jersey Marina, sounds like Cape May came through Sandy virtually unscathed, he said it was no worse than your average northeaster... The only area that really got hit were the communities facing the Delaware Bay side, when the wind came west on the back side of the storm... But as far as altering the hydrography of the waters south of the point, I can't imagine that there has been real change whatsoever...
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Re: Fastest route from Annapolis to NYC?

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I don't know about making it with a 7' draft, but when I stopped in Manasquan I anchored in a neat little spot out of the inlet and hence safe from the nasty current. Not far into the inlet was a marked channel, probably 1/2 mile, to a bascule bridge that then opened into a neat little harbor with good holding...

No idea if you could squeeze down there with such a large draft or whether it got slammed by the storm, but it was a great option as it was out of the way of the commericial fleet and out of the current... Maybe chef2sail has more accurate and up to date info..

I believe the area that you are referring to is called " The Glimmer Glass"

Just a guess..7 ft. draft might be pushing it at anything but high tide, but I'll defer to more recent local knowledge. I haven't been through there in awhile.
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Re: Fastest route from Annapolis to NYC?

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I am trying to read up on the ICW and figure out the fastest route from Annapolis, MD to NYC.

Any thoughts?

I draft ~7' and Bridge Clearance 58'
I'm pretty sure there is a direct flight. Have you tried Expedia.com?

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Re: Fastest route from Annapolis to NYC?

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Draft? You mean height? 55' seems a bit deep...
Remember that mast height is often called "air draft."

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I believe the issue with debris off the Jersey coast was vastly overstated right from the get-go.
That's my experience. The shoals have shifted around a bit but I haven't seen debris as a factor, although it has been a slow season for me and I've only been up and down the NJ coast a few times since Sandy.

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I am trying to read up on the ICW and figure out the fastest route from Annapolis, MD to NYC.
This is about a two day run straight through if you time it right.

I apologize to frequent SNers for repeating my frequent speech. You do NOT care about tide, you care about current. The days of having to estimate the phase difference between tide and current are behind us. NOAA has current tables in addition to tide tables: Tidal Current Tables . You still have to pay attention to other factors in places like Chesapeake Bay and Long Island Sound where wind-driven tide and current are a factor, but you won't get that from tide tables either.

With your draft and air draft the Cape May Canal isn't a good option at all. There is no point in going around the point and back into Cape May.

If you time your departure from Annapolis to make slack before flood at Worton Point +/- an hour and you can keep your speed through the water close to 6 kts or better you can get a boost all the way through the C&D to the mouth of the Bay. Annapolis to Cape Henlopen is usually about 18 hours for me. Remember you can't sail through the canal. Sails should be down between the traffic signals at a minimum.

There is a great anchorage inside the inner breakwater at Cape Henlopen. I'll get it on ActiveCaptain this morning. It's a good stop if you want a break before heading up the coast.

From Henlopen there is no reason not to head straight for Sandy Hook. That's about a day (24 hrs = 1 day). I use Atlantic City (AC) and Manasquan as bail-outs and not planned stops. If you want a shorter run I would do a short day from Henlopen to AC and from there to Sandy Hook. Leave Sandy Hook on the current and ride through NY Harbor and whichever river you choose.

Atlantic City is an easy inlet in nearly any conditions. The USCG moves the marks around as the shoals shift so don't let your chartplotter over rule the evidence of your eyes. Manasquan is another good inlet in most conditions except when the current is running up or down the beach and the wind is East. Then you have to crab your way between the jetties and that can be a challenge with some sailboats. Print out the current tables and be prepared to stand off until slack water.

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Re: Fastest route from Annapolis to NYC?

Darn - forgot one of my favorite stories. Inside Manasquan is a marina called Hoffmans. If you are running from weather getting into a slip or even alongside the fuel dock can be a problem. Three times in the last many years I've pulled in there, turned away from the fuel dock, dropped anchor, and Med-moored to the fuel dock. It would be rude to stay past the weather problem and I've always coordinated with the marina. Always blows the minds of the dock kids.
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