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Re: Sailboat perishes off Hatteras, USCG rescues crew

Unfortunately, we now live in a culture that has decided it will make the world safe for everyone in every situation, damned the cost, damned the idea of personal responsibility and consequences for raw stupidity. We've decided to protect the stupid and irresponsible at the expense of everyone else. I feel bad for the kids on USCG duty, ski patrols, and mountaineering patrols who have to risk their lives because of irresponsible, ignorant, idiots. Ask me how I feel about this issue.
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I would say here that often the young people on rescue duty the thrill and experience of the job is why they do it, and they want to be called out, to test their skills etc. I'm into extreme whitewater kayaking and some of my best stories are where it all went tats up and we lived to tell the story.

edit: or when i dived into the midst of another trip that was going tats up and pulled their monkey asses out of the fire.....

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My insurance rates went up $300 this year(Boat US). No claims. .??
Yeah. Mine went up by $200... Last year it went up by $50... Despite no claims in either year (never had a claim).

So I called them and asked what was up with the premium? They told me that my deductible went down to $500. I asked them to raise the deductible back up to $1K. My net premium this year went down by $20...

Insurance is a racket...


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Yeah. Mine went up by $200... Last year it went up by $50... Despite no claims in either year (never had a claim).

So I called them and asked what was up with the premium? They told me that my deductible went down to $500. I asked them to raise the deductible back up to $1K. My net premium this year went down by $20...

Insurance is a racket...
Hmmm, that "diminishing deductible" was supposed to come at no extra charge. I never even thought of asking them to raise it up again. Thanks for the idea!

As for that IP boat, I'm no expert, but 110 HP sounds like very little power to keep a boat like that under control in tough conditions. If those delivery guys were powerboat guys, I suspect it was a very different situation than they were used to.

As for the issue of whether our insurance would go up because of these clowns, doesn't the insurance industry separate people into "risk pools" or something like that? I'd expect delivery captains to be in one risk pool with a certain rate structure (I assume their certifications requires them to carry professional liability insurance), and recreational boaters a totally different one. So while it's fun to vent about how a couple of clowns like there make all our rates go up, I'm not sure sure it would unless someone else here has direct knowledge of how the industry works.


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Common, this is peanuts

Insurance went up because of Sandy. Think global.

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Haaa another sinking awakens the armchair quarterbacks with the unfounded speculation stories. Soon it will hard to tell the true facts or the speculative "facts" ..grin.

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WHAT A LOAD OF BS....Someone makes an error in judgement, gets in trouble and call's on the rescue authorities (in this case Coast Guard). I am almost amazed at the predictability of their cry's of foul from the obviously well informed and well traveled, seasoned sailors on this and every other similar forum. This in turn morphs into cost of the rescue and who should pay(No one should pay its humanity), followed by how this will effect ME in the pocket with increased insurance(bad luck if you want insurance pay you dues), and an atrocious drain on the public purse to fund these rescues of our fellow man( the cost of rescues has already been budgeted for in the yearly running cost). May I say If it is such an affront that our fellow man will at some time come unstuck and need help of some description then why not disband the Coast Guard and perhaps the Navy or all armed forces with a rescue component. Lets make it Law that only those that can pay to be rescued, be rescued. we could include Ambulance and fire fighters, No money no help. How about Police lets have them only protect the important people that can Pay for their time, If you dial 911 or 999 or 000 it will be $100 for the first 15min then $100 for each hour or part there of. Most of us are humanitarian and have ethics and will do what we can for our fellow man. People make mistakes and things do not always go as planed. Those guys would not have agreed with each other to go out and get rescued, loose the beautiful boat and be ridiculed by these adventurous folk bashing away on their keyboards. We have rescue services because we need them, the civilized world would be a sad place without these brave and caring souls who put their lives on the line for everyone, no questions asked. And they do it because they love it. Thanks for letting me rant I need it.
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They were at the corner of the Triangle. Any sailor who's been there knows Hattras and Oregon and never possible for sailboats (sure, they've been done...but stupid to try) and at Orcracoke (as the others) the channel changes daily. Prudent skippers approach and call the Coast Guard to lead them in (which despite what most say about the CG they do without hesitation). I want to add more about the CG, seriously, most people dread encounters and opine that they are rude, young and stupid...I've not at all found these to be true. One of the stupider things I've done added to my belief; I was leaving Atlantic Highlands and went to get a chart of Atlantic City. With the chart in my hand, the clerk said I didn't need it. He said Atlantic City's approach was straight forward and easy. So being poor I saved the money. Later, as it dawned on me why there were breakers all around me I ran aground on the shoal probably off Little Egg Inlet. I called the CG., gave them my position and they checked the chart for me and gave me a heading to get clear. Prompt and polite even tho I had obviously been an idiot. As for being aground, with each wave I'd be lifted off, so I'd motor until I got stuck again....several times till clear. Miles offshore, stuck, teetering on the keel...oh yeah, there was a mellow experience....my Airedale was looking for a new skipper....

But I've digressed. Never do what they did. Head to deep water and heave to....throw out a storm drogue....chill. I disagree with the gloom and doom. Every boat that hove to in the Gale 10 of Fastnet 79 came through it unscathed. Heave to!
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They were professionals....just doing the job that only professionals can do.
There's a lot of delivery skipper bravado these days. Doesn't matter the weather we can do it, we're delivery skippers.

Like its something totally different from being a cruisng skipper? Like the weather abates, or the seas arnt as rough? Or delivery skippers make better decisions?

And why the word "delivery"? does that make you stronger, tougher than the word "passage", or "cruise"?

Its not been a good 12 months for the so called "professionals" what with the Bounty et al...


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