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Old 04-06-2013
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Re: Apparently I'm not meant to have a boat...

I should add to Jimgo - we found it really fun and rewarding to do the work ourselves. It was fun to learn to do everything as we went. It's not for everyone, but it can be surprising to see what you can get done. I look forward to hearing how it goes as it unfolds for you.

I may have missed it in the thread: What's up with Ferry Point? Have you considered there?
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Re: Apparently I'm not meant to have a boat...

The boat was towed yesterday from Chuck's slip over to Haven Harbour. She's hiding out there until my insurance can get over there to look for signs of an accident. If they find some (and I suspect they may), then we'll see what they can work out.

If there isn't any sign of an accident, then I'll have to figure out how to go. I've found another Allmand owner who has offered me his transmission and drivetrain in exchange for taking him out sailing (his boat was totaled in Sandy). I'll be happy to take him out sailing anway (good to get someone with knowledge of the boat's ability out with me), but that may be an option. I'm also interested to see what the marina says is wrong.

I wasn't able to stay aboard very long - the tow took about 3 hours, and ate into most of the usable part of my day. However, I was able to take a bunch of pictures of the engine and to look for some of the things that the local marina said were wrong, and I'm just not seeing it. For example, I know the hoses SHOULD be replaced, so I know how old they are, their condition, etc. But in looking very carefully at most of them, I don't see any that are anywhere near as bad as was suggested. Similarly, I don't see the prop shaft cutting into the hull. Maybe I'm not looking in the right places for these, but nothing jumped out at me.

I had the impression that they really didn't want to do the work, and after having spent some time double-checking their suggestions, I'm even happier to not be having them do the work.

By contrast, Haven Harbor has been VERY gracious, and a nice place to deal with so far. My opinion may change, but for now I'm much more comfortable there.
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Re: Apparently I'm not meant to have a boat...

ChrisNCate, I'm very much a DIY person for a lot of things. I re-rigged my old boat, including splicing everything myself. I also sewed new covers for the salon, touched up the stitching on the sails, buffed out the hull, refinished all the wood, rewired some of her stuff, etc. But I had a bad experience with DIY'ing repairs on the outboard and wound up having to buy a new engine. So, at this point I'm gun shy when it comes to something mechanical, and especially when it's the primary propulsion for the boat I'll have my family in. If it's TOO crazy expensive, I may HAVE to DIY. But the time it will take, and the fact that I'm eating into my season, weighs heavily on the decisions here.
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Re: Apparently I'm not meant to have a boat...

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I've found another Allmand owner who has offered me his transmission and drivetrain in exchange for taking him out sailing (his boat was totaled in Sandy).
WOW that is GREAT NEWS!!! That means another motor and tranny and you can keep yours for spares (or pull off all the good bits and just keep them).

Don't sweat the "bad hoses" thing. That's an opinion and if they aren't leaking they don't NEED to be replaced just yet. Get a second opinion from someone who won't be making money off of you.

I was told that my transmission was toast once. I was told that I "might" be able to motor it the 14 hrs or so to Seattle but I had better get towing insurance for the trip. That was 5 years and a LOT of motoring ago.... Opinions on when stuff "should" be replaced are just that. When stuff breaks, it needs to be replaced. Forecasting when something will break is trying to tell the future.

I'm not sure I buy the motor mounts or stuffing box issues either. Is the stuffing box leaking now? No? Then it's probably still good. If not, it's only $5-700 to have it torn out and replaced with a drip-less unit.

Sounds to me like things are looking up!

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PS I'm not against preventative maintenance, but I am trying to draw a distinction between preventive maintenance and what MUST be done NOW.
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Re: Apparently I'm not meant to have a boat...

Med, thank you that's exactly what I was trying to say. I'm not against preventative maintenance, but not NOW. Now, I need to get the boat home. THEN I can do the other stuff.

To the questions about the stuffing box area, here are two pictures:




Like I said, maybe I'm missing something. By the way, yes, I do see the rusted hose clamps, and I do know they need to be replaced.
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Re: Apparently I'm not meant to have a boat...

OK, one last round of questions. The boat slipped off the lift when they were hauling her for the inspection. The haul happened after the surveyor looked over the engine. Could a drop like this have done damage to the engine? At the time, my impression was that it wasn't any worse than what you could expect to see sailing, but I figured it was worth asking.

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Re: Apparently I'm not meant to have a boat...

Looks like you've got a bolted-in shaft log, as opposed to a FG molded-in tube, so the comment that the shaft has been cutting into the hull makes no sense. The area in your pics is not exactly pristine but not untypical either.

The travel lift hijinks are weird to see... it's like the travel lift itself let go.. if anything the boat was bow high and not likely to slip 'down'. Poor operator? The only concern I'd have about that (it was a fairly 'gently' landing) is that the aft strap ended up on the propshaft somehow. That's a big no-no.
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Re: Apparently I'm not meant to have a boat...

I wondering about the same thing Faster is. When the sling slipped was te boat supported by the slings or the water. Did you see it happen? It looks like the bow lowered and th sling pulled upward on th shaft as it slid down the hull aft ward. That cpud defiant
Ey put pressure on you prop therefore tranny.

Again I only use Harbor Haven. They aren't cheep, but thy are knowledgable and honest . Woody is a good man too. The mechanics are factory trained and attend classes often. Any job they have done on my boat. thy have on top notch,.

4 years ago new injectors and a minor rebuild including valves.
Last year new prop shaft, coupling, dripless seal, cutlass bearing and engine mounts.

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Re: Apparently I'm not meant to have a boat...

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OK, one last round of questions. The boat slipped off the lift when they were hauling her for the inspection. The haul happened after the surveyor looked over the engine. Could a drop like this have done damage to the engine?

YES!

When the front sling let go, what happened? The entire weight of the boat (and now forward motion) was stopped by the aft sling. What exactly stopped the boat from slipping forward and off of the aft sling? I'd say, judging by the placement of the aft sling, the prop or rudder stopped the boat from slipping forward and getting underway.

The entire weight of the boat was suddenly pulling aft on the prop and prop-shaft. That could have destroyed a transmission. Good job you took a video (I always do too).

This is another reason why I like to use yards that use a "Sea-Lift" instead of a "Travel-Lift". I watched teenage yard-monkeys try FIVE times to raise my parents boat using a travel-lift and almost drop it. Dropping a boat is almost impossible to do with a sea lift.

BTW your hoses and log look fine.

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Re: Apparently I'm not meant to have a boat...

I was there (I shot the video). As I recall, the aft lifting strap didn't move, but I was near the bow and that's where my attention was focused (that part had just let go!). Here's what that looked like when the boat was in the sling:



Here's what the keel looks like:
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