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I'm just looking at all my options. I don't really expect that a new engine will be in the cards, or necessary. The estimate includes a decent amount of labor hours, and I was just wondering if, in the end, it would be more cost-effective or efficient to go with a new engine since all the marina would be doing is pulling the old, and dropping in a new.
Wish it were that easy. You still have to rebed, align etc. The engine costs about $9000 the rest is in labor costs. T37chef just did a new Beta engine, same HP. He can speak to the total costs better than I can.

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Well, that does make my decisions will be easier. That's more than I was hoping.

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Well, that does make my decisions will be easier. That's more than I was hoping.
You could always find a used motor as well. It doesn't have to be new.
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Fairpoint, except that a used engine puts me right back in the same basic position, not knowing exactly how good it is. That was the advantage of the new engine, at least I would have a warranty and know its general condition.

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Betting still it's the flex plate. These "mechanics" are just weaving a web of scare tactics around the issue Jim. Someone needs to be there when this investigating starts. By the way the 5416, is a sleeved cylinder engine and totally rebuildable. A new engine won't cover any labor costs most likely

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Re: Apparently I'm not meant to have a boat...

Denise, I agree, I think its the damping plate. Haven Harbour has said that they will test the transmission before they make a decision as to its condition. I hope that it won't be in bad shape, but who knows. Still a lot up in the air.

I have a call in to the insurance company about next steps. I'll be calling my agent tomorrow (still have 2 other boats to be insured, and may look into taking my business elsewhere depending on how this goes) and then calling the insurance company's rep again. Hopefully we'll get the work kicked off this week.
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Re: Apparently I'm not meant to have a boat...

I call ignorance.

What's a dampening plate? Do all transmission have them or are they an extra? I recall recently reading the blog of S/V Wondertime and their dampener plate $hit the bed on the much feared trip from Fiji to NZ. If I recall it sounded like an "added extra" feature.

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Re: Apparently I'm not meant to have a boat...

There have got to be a lot of salvage motors in our area now. You just need to figure out how to get rid of that fibreglass wrapper that they have. ;-)

I suspect my former boat is going to go for a little more than the recently rebuilt transmission cost.

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Stay strong buddy. I have been at the lowest of lows before, and posted on here about it. Take a few days, re-evaluate your plans, and open up the can of elbow grease. On the bright side you have a great boat.
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RE; Foley Engines
"Damper plates lead a tough life

They work in the dark, are often soaked in salt water, and are never checked, let alone maintained. They are the marine equivalent of a mushroom! The damper plate is bolted to the flywheel with a half dozen or so small metric allen bolts. Into this clutch like plate slides the splined input shaft of the Hurth or Borgwarner gear. The damper plate acts as coupler between the engine and the transmission and all torque is transmitted through it.
Noisy damper plate

Sometimes these hard working clutches rebel and their springs loosen up and even fall out. Or one or more of the allen bolts back out and the plate become loose and moves around. Symptoms of this will be a rattling sound from the bellhousing area when in neutral. Engaging gear is often difficult and the Hurth gear is hard to shift. Often loose or missing springs is the only problem. People often think that they need a new transmission when all they need is to replace the damper plate.
What to look for

If you suspect that your damper plate springs are loose and rattling around and that you have damper plate problems here is what to look for. First check your linkage to ensure that everything is tight and working properly. Then check that the bolts holding the damper plate in place are present and installed correctly. Verify that the Hurth or Borgwarner gear is not mis-aligned. Use a dial indicator to check for this. Finally, if the damper plate is worn and/or springs are missing, check to see that your Hurth or Borgwarner gear's front bearing hasn't failed. Worn damper plates can often cause the transmissions' input shaft to wear and result in front bearing
failure."

What they look like. It's the springs that rattle


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