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Re: Apparently I'm not meant to have a boat...

OK, so at least it spins and you know it isn't jammed; that's a good start. So spinning the engine output side and holding the lever in place doesn't let you go into forward, but it does let you go into reverse? That's strange.

Have you rebuilt your transmission before? I read that for the Hurth/ZF transmissions, it isn't worth the trouble. You'll wind up replacing the transmission in a few years anyway.

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BTW, I'm not THAT far from you. If/when you decide to pull the transmission, let me know. If I'm free I'll come lend a hand. I'm not incredibly strong, nor am I all that mechanically inclined, but I can follow directions.

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Jim thank you for the offer to help! I'll let you know what an when if it's going to happen. I've not done such a rebuild, but the guys in my club have pulled them and did flex plate and and dipstick repairs. My research is looking at the ZF6 which is the new version of the old and they have not really changed much at all. They are supposed to be pretty easy to rebuild as far as complicated goes. I just don't know what to do since I can't find 12-1800 for a new or rebuilt one. We have a boom truck, here too.

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Re: Apparently I'm not meant to have a boat...

Denise, I'm assuming you have directly observed that the cable does push the lever into forward (all the way) and have diagnosed the problem as internal to the transmission?
The lever operates a hydraulic valve inside the transmission - where rebuild gets expensive.
The valve works or you would not get reverse.

Occam's razor (simplest solution) says that it worked last year, they only thing that has changed is time. Time loosens cable connections and allows them to slip which reduces throw.

Best check is to remove the cable and manually shift gears.

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Chuck, yes had the cable off. going to try running the engine today The throw is pretty long on the trans lever. Hydraulic valve? Looks like a fork to me when I looked at the internal diagram. But I'm not one to argue It's a HBW 50 Chuck.

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fluid is good. it spins. goes in Rev. If I remember right it was always free spinning when in fwd and engine was off. rebuild parts are just under $300, I've help if I have to take it out. just won't be sailing this season!
Oh I hope you aren't out all season. Not a fun job, but by all accounts it does not look to be that hard. You seem very handy, but you might be able to trade some refrigeration work for some transmission work! (I typed out tranny work, but it did not look right!:-) )
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Denise, let us know how it goes!

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Chuck, yes had the cable off. going to try running the engine today The throw is pretty long on the trans lever. Hydraulic valve? Looks like a fork to me when I looked at the internal diagram. But I'm not one to argue It's a HBW 50 Chuck.
Got that one all wrong didn't I? Missed the 'cable off' and the HBW50. My Hurth was as I described, had it replaced under warranty because the internal valve stuck.

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Re: Apparently I'm not meant to have a boat...

Denise, best of luck. I think the stars are misaligned.

I've been doing the cutlass bearing from hell the past couple of weekends (finally done) and I still have to drop my mast and do the hull before I go in.

My buddy found major dampness in the deck around his mast. He cut out the deck and core and dried it out but has been desperate to find a fiberglass guy after Sandy. Finally got a guy started on it this week, but he's normally in in March.

A third friend just got his boat in the water and then his job sent him to Canada for the rest of the summer

I think it all started with Jimgo's boat. Everybody grab the torches and pitchforks and we'll head for his house to break the spell !!!


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Jim,
As long as you're assembling a work crew, would you head to Rock Hall? I bet we could get the boat repaired in no time, thereby vanquishing all of the demons that have beset our boats!
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