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Thanks Paul.

BTW, I used to have a 1991 BRG LE. LOVED that little car! I now have an '06 Solara. Not quite as much fun to drive, but I can fit my whole family (somewhat) comfortably inside. Much moreso than my old Miata!

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I doubt you had two failures, the transmission and the DP. Risking reusing the tranny, is doable, especially since if your wrong , it can be changed out without removing the engine. Don't think you have changed so much, that something else major couldn't go wrong. I'm just trying to keep a grand ($), in your pocket.
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Re: Apparently I'm not meant to have a boat...

I appreciate the feedback Sony!

I just chatted with the insurance company. They haven't given up on me yet; they are still waiting for a definite cause of the problems. They said they might need the transmission to go out for inspection; if that happens, then I may wind up with a rebuilt transmission because I don't want to spend the money on the tear-down only to find that I need a whole new transmission.

The insurance company expects to be out at the marina tomorrow (Wednesday) to look at everything.

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I appreciate the feedback Sony!

I just chatted with the insurance company. They haven't given up on me yet; they are still waiting for a definite cause of the problems. They said they might need the transmission to go out for inspection; if that happens, then I may wind up with a rebuilt transmission because I don't want to spend the money on the tear-down only to find that I need a whole new transmission.

The insurance company expects to be out at the marina tomorrow (Wednesday) to look at everything.
Well, at least they didn't tell you no, yet.
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LOL...exactly, Chuck...not YET. I suspect it's coming, but hey, I can dream!

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Re: Apparently I'm not meant to have a boat...

I received a call from the marina a few minutes ago. Their prices for most of the parts were as good as or better than what I had found online. In fact, the sourced a ZF6M transmission for $1225 which is a great price and better than what I had expected (and significantly less than any rebuild). Their heat exchanger is $428, the engine mounts are $150 each, and the damping plate is $165.
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Good luck Jim!

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If a yard has the time to order parts, they may be getting them from the same place. They are usually given a wholesale discount and still make a profit selling it to you for the same price you would have paid.

Everyone is happy.

Certainly, a yard could have a rogue supplier with a crazy price. More often, if there is no labor to make money on, the few dollars in parts markup may not pay for the yard to spend the time doing research for parts numbers, issuing the PO, placing the order, receiving and billing you. They may mark it up even further, as a result.

Given the large volume of work they are doing for you, I'm not surprised that parts costs are reasonable.
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Jim,

I have been monitoring this thread since it started. I am glad that there finally seems to be light at the end of the tunnel for you, and I am confident that once you have this resolved you'll have a great boat that your family will love.

Reflecting back on how you got to this place, I feel especially bad that you did not choose this path. You had a great boat before Sandy took it from you. That acquisition was not totally without problems either, but because it was a smaller boat your solution was easy - just buy a new outboard motor.

Which leads to an important lesson for others who are just starting out with their first boat. Starting out with a simple boat with minimal systems (such as Jim's prior Catalina 25) is lower risk and likely to get you on the water quicker with less risk. If this "new boat" had been Jim's first one, he almost certainly would have given up by now. But having already sailed on his first boat, and gotten a taste of the joys that lie ahead (and some experience with solving problems), he knows the value of persistence in solving the issues with this second boat.

After reading Jim's issues with this boat, and the other issues that some of you here have described with your own boats, I realize how fortunate I am that I have never missed a day of sailing due to mechanical problems (knock on wood). Much of that is luck, but part of that is simply the fact that my little boat has relatively simple systems that are easy to fix. If my outboard motor were to go kaput, I could easily replace it. Of course, an outboard has other deficiencies if you get into serious swells and chop, but you can't beat its simplicity.

So for those of you who dream of starting out with a 35-40 footer, and looking to save money by getting a project boat for your very first boat, I'd suggest getting started with the smallest boat that can meet your minimal requirements. You'll be much more likely to get on the water with such a boat. Hold off on that "project boat" until your next one (or later).


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I have been monitoring this thread since it started. I am glad that there finally seems to be light at the end of the tunnel for you, and I am confident that once you have this resolved you'll have a great boat that your family will love.

Reflecting back on how you got to this place, I feel especially bad that you did not choose this path. You had a great boat before Sandy took it from you. That acquisition was not totally without problems either, but because it was a smaller boat your solution was easy - just buy a new outboard motor.

Which leads to an important lesson for others who are just starting out with their first boat. Starting out with a simple boat with minimal systems (such as Jim's prior Catalina 25) is lower risk and likely to get you on the water quicker with less risk. If this "new boat" had been Jim's first one, he almost certainly would have given up by now. But having already sailed on his first boat, and gotten a taste of the joys that lie ahead (and some experience with solving problems), he knows the value of persistence in solving the issues with this second boat.

After reading Jim's issues with this boat, and the other issues that some of you here have described with your own boats, I realize how fortunate I am that I have never missed a day of sailing due to mechanical problems (knock on wood). Much of that is luck, but part of that is simply the fact that my little boat has relatively simple systems that are easy to fix. If my outboard motor were to go kaput, I could easily replace it. Of course, an outboard has other deficiencies if you get into serious swells and chop, but you can't beat its simplicity.

So for those of you who dream of starting out with a 35-40 footer, and looking to save money by getting a project boat for your very first boat, I'd suggest getting started with the smallest boat that can meet your minimal requirements. You'll be much more likely to get on the water with such a boat. Hold off on that "project boat" until your next one (or later).
A lot of good points.

Best boat in the best condition you can find for the type of sailing and use you will do. I would not get hung up on size. Size should be determined by how you intend to sail.

A 25 ft boat with an outboard would not meet our needs. It would have limited our sailing area, prevented us from staying aboard for a few days at a time comfortably. Not only would it not afford us the space, it would also prevent us fom sailing in heavier winds and conditions. An outboard would be woefully underpowered for taking trips as well as in larger waves do to cavitation. Plus I like having diesel as opposed to gas. Simpler too

There is nothing wrong with a boat with a number of projects if it meets the first criteria. It sure beats outgrowing your boat every few years. Taking the boat you want and slowly fixing it up is a great way to achieve that. Once you fix or redesign the systems they become new and updated. It's a waste of money and effort to keep buying and selling boats, and you risk their condition every time you do it.

To me it makes sense to try and get the largest boat you will need ,i n the best condition and improve its systems over time rather than lose money improving a boat you will sell.
At the same time you can use he boat.

To each his own, their is no set formula.
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