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FlyingJunior 04-09-2013 10:34 PM

O'Day DS or Flying Scot?
 
Thinking of my next boat - I'm more interested in comfort and stability, taking kids out in it, than racing. Which one would you choose, all other things like condition and cost being about equal? Seems use prices and availability are about equal.

jsaronson 04-09-2013 10:39 PM

Re: O'Day DS or Flying Scot?
 
Day sailor is more stable, less fun.

Stumble 04-10-2013 12:28 AM

Re: O'Day DS or Flying Scot?
 
I can't think of a boat I have sailed that was less funny than a flying scot. But I am not familure with the Oday.

If you have a budget in mind you might get better suggestions by indicating what you plan to do with it, and what the budget is.

desert rat 04-10-2013 12:35 AM

Re: O'Day DS or Flying Scot?
 
not to bust in but im not that far along. looking for first boat. 27 - 32 inbord engine solid deck solid hull. no suing keel, no sail furller. To sail out into the ocean and go where the wind blows me.

desert rat 04-10-2013 12:37 AM

Re: O'Day DS or Flying Scot?
 
I would like an Aldin Ballard , hank on tiller, dutchman, self tailing winches, and lots of bronze.

FlyingJunior 04-10-2013 09:07 AM

O'Day DS or Flying Scot?
 
Thanks everyone so far. What was not "fun" about the Scot? For me, fun is sailing around, not hiking, minimal worries about capsize, tooling around. Must be trailer-able and easy to launch and rig. I like the Bucanneer, but I'm told the Scot is more stable, the DS even more so. I don't want a keelboat.

jsaronson 04-10-2013 09:16 AM

Re: O'Day DS or Flying Scot?
 
FJ,

The Scot does heel because of its round-ish bottom, but is unlikely to capsize. I enjoy hiking and think the Scot is a great boat, but if you want something more stable the DS is a great choice. You might also look at a Rhodes 19 centerboard model. More room thean the DS, less challenging than the Scot.

Desert Rat, you might want to start a new thread. Look at PEarson, Tartan, Sabre

Stumble 04-10-2013 01:53 PM

Re: O'Day DS or Flying Scot?
 
1) Having flipped a scot a number of times I question your statement that they don't flip. It's such a common problem on the Gulf coast, where they are used for club trainers, that we even have a nickname for it. And since they can't really self rescue (they don't sink but fill up past the gunnels) our club requires a standby person ready to tow them in in the event of a capsize.
2) The centerboard trunk (also called the knee breaker) takes up a large part of the cockpit. And is prone to, well cracking knees, and busting shins.
3) The specialty crank is easy to loose, and can only be replaced from the manufacturer.
4) They are overly heavy making trailering and set up difficult.
5) The boats don't hold their value very well, due to a known issue of the fiberglassing being too thin at the shrouds. Which causes the hull to micro fracture after a few years. This causes major oil canning.
6) The one design sails are poorly designed, which requires huge amounts of vang to be carried to get proper sail shape. This leads to regularly breaking booms (we carry three booms to every regatta).
7) For new boats... Despite a recent reduction in price, they are still seriously overpriced when comparing them to other boats on the market.
8) of the GYA there is minimal to no competitive racing.

These are the primary reason that the GYA is in the process of selecting a new trainer boat for all of our club boats.


Again it depends on what you are looking for, and what you are looking to spend. But for the price of a reasonable Scot you could also find a reasonable condition Viper 640, which is massively more stable, more comfortable to sail, and has a much better design. A little smaller is the VX One which is from the same designer, but about 15 years newer. But there are no used boats on the market yet.

The K6 has a pretty good following, but is a little more relaxed than either of those.
Club 420- is a pretty laid back boat. But with no ballast can flip pretty easily.
Lightning - not my favorite, but has a nice following.

AE28 04-10-2013 02:14 PM

Re: O'Day DS or Flying Scot?
 
We went from our first boat, a Sunfish, to the Day Sailer II, and would highly recommend it to you.
The DSII has a self-bailer (only works whilst the boat is underway), whereas the original DS had no bailer.
Ours also had the optional mast tabernacle, which made trailering and set-up much easier. In fact, easily done singlehanded.
Good luck,
Paul

Letrappes 04-10-2013 02:25 PM

Stumble seems to have no idea about flying Scots. I guess he sailed one once. I couldn't disagree with him any more. The only fleet I generally find active in most areas are the flying Scots. Good luck finding a viper 640 out there. Since the original builder abandoned them they have been straight downhill.

The Scots are an old design but are raced heavily up and down the east coast and the gulf. It was the only active travelling fleet with real numbers in the Carolinas. I never once saw more than one viper at a big multi class regatta except in south Florida and the maybe five they get for Charleston race week. If you are looking for racing, skip the viper.

I also have sailed in many different classes and the Scots are the only one where I can go to a big event and find multiple sailmakers such as North, Ullman, Madd, Schurr and Dieball all having their pros racing at the same time with the rest of us.

I will say the boat is heavy but my boat from 1973 still races even with the brand new boats. That's another problem the viper has. After three years of racing they are too soft to compete with the new boat. It's actually hilarious catching up to vipers at the windward mark when they were the fleet starting ahead of us on rolling starts.

I know the GYA is ditching the Scot but the GYA is pretty much gone anyway so who cares what they do. Read the report from the clubs on what they want and tell me if you can find a boat that fits their wants that actually has more than five built and is under their limit of $25k. Good luck.


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