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Re: Dousing a cruising asym without blowing the tack?

Alex,

Using a pole on the tack does help to pull it off to the opposite side of the main. I do that frequently to get better down wind angles. Works quite well actually, and is supposed to be faster than a sym because you can get more sa to the side of the main with less overlap. Not sure with the shorter wind/leeward legs we have inpuget sound, my swag for this type of race, a sym will be faster. But if doing say a vic-maui, the AS poled out would be in the long run faster.

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Re: Dousing a cruising asym without blowing the tack?

Marty: I understand the theory and it makes sense to me. I was asking how you have your pole rigged?

My assumption is that you need the following:
* topping lift
* downhaul
* two after guys (one port, one starboard)
* two sheets

Is that correct?

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Re: Dousing a cruising asym without blowing the tack?

Alex,

I do use a topping lift for the mid part of the pole

The tack line works as a downhaul

I have a LONG single sheet line, so I suppose one could say 2 is needed per say.

Then I do have two lines for the pole end.

I also to gybe, need to pull the pole off, then outside (our prefered) gybe the spin, move the pole from one side to the other, rehook the pole, and then pull the pole back to an appropriate place per the wind conditions. Sometimes I fine even having the pole more or less straight forward helps vs no pole.

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Re: Dousing a cruising asym without blowing the tack?

Alex W -

Sounds like you want to rig an assym on your 28 footer with an articulating pole? I raced on a C&C115 with the same setup. Oversized pole and chute. You will need...

-A topping lift for the pole, you can do a bridle setup or just run it out to the end of the pole. Usually it's at the end of the pole on big boats for dip pole gybes.

-two sheets, very long. At least 2x the boat length, posibley more.

-two guys that are low stretch. These can be shorter, but use hi-er tech stuff.

-a foreguy that allows the chute to pass in front of the forstay (low stretch). On the C&C115 it comes out of the bow below the forstay tang. Yes there's a hole in the hull.

To gybe it you'll need to....
Ease the guy to the forestay and transfer the load to the foreguy,
Sky the inboard end of the pole,
Lower the topper,
Trip the pole off the old guy, swing the pole to the other side and make the new guy,
Gybe the boat and keep the lazy sheet from going under the boat,
Lower the inboard end, raise the topper,
Ease the foreguy, and grind back on the new guy.

It's honestly the best of both worlds but it certainly ain't easy.

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Re: Dousing a cruising asym without blowing the tack?

Thanks guys, this is helpful. I have some rigging to figure out, but it'll be fun.

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Re: Dousing a cruising asym without blowing the tack?

I picked up a symmetrical spinnaker in good condition yesterday from Second Wave. I'll try this with a pole first and get comfortable with that before flying the asymmetrical with a pole.

The new spinnaker is very light (0.5oz fabric), good for our light air but I'll need to be careful with it. It looks like a nice tri-radial cut and even though it is fairly old it appears to have barely been used. Overall I think I'll be able to find good uses for it where it compliments my asym instead of replacing it.

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